The Positive side of COVID-19

AssHatZombie said:
it is literally another flu virus.
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QED. Dude, it's different from flu just like flu is different from a cold virus. Again, anyone who lets politics drive science, especially medical science, is a fucking moron. Do you agree or disagree?

https://www.britannica.com/story/what-is-the-difference-between-influenza-and-covid-19
A more obvious difference between influenza and COVID-19 is in their causative agents. Influenza viruses belong to a virus family known as Orthomyxoviridae. COVID-19 is caused by a coronavirus named SARS-CoV-2, which is classified in the family Coronaviridae. Both families consist of RNA viruses, but they differ particularly with regard to the protein layer that encapsulates the RNA.

More specifically, influenza viruses express two surface antigens (foreign proteins)—hemagglutinin (H) and neuraminidase (N)—which trigger an immune response. The exact form of these antigens changes every now and then, resulting in the periodic emergence of new, more virulent influenza viruses with the potential to cause a pandemic. The surface of SARS-CoV-2 does not have these antigens. Rather, similar to other types of coronaviruses, its outer surface is studded with glycoprotein spikes, which give such viruses a crownlike, or coronal, appearance. Spike glycoproteins are responsible for triggering the immune response, and they carry out the critical function of enabling the coronavirus particle to enter cells, where it then replicates.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
GMTA. I agree with Mr. Owl on both the economy and the tightrope act.

No President could have prevented this disease anymore than they could have prevented an asteroid impact event. What our nation's leaders could have done, and should do, is make and fund contingency plans for such natural disasters to minimize the national security impact on our nation. That's their frickin' job and our national leaders have been failing at it for the past two decades. One of the few things they've got right is stopping Islamic terrorism.

Agreed it's a possibility. Even though I have money on Trump (a bet placed before COVID-19) it will be close. Trump is clearly his own worst enemy. All of his rants about Obama make him look whiny, stupid and delusional. The problem is that the only competition he has is a doddering old man. IMHO, the Democrats are screwing themselves in the direction they've been going for the past 10 years.

Stupid shit from Trump today:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1261751862027595776
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...such a thoughtful moron
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I wonder if there is any profit in limiting a movie theater or restaurant to 25% occupancy. I'm betting not, unless they raise prices to levels ppl won't willingly pay.
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Sure there is, just not as much. I suspect most of the staff will be laid off to compensate. Rent and insurance need to be paid regardless if there's one person in the theater or if it's full.

Agreed there's an upper limit to costs. The same for airline tickets and anything else sold in economy. Trump can order the economy open (he's a chickenshit, so he won't) but he can't make Americans spend their money. He can only spend Taxpayer dollars with the consent of Congress.

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Dutch Uncle said:
QED. Dude, it's different from flu just like flu is different from a cold virus. Again, anyone who lets politics drive science, especially medical science, is a fucking moron. Do you agree or disagree?

https://www.britannica.com/story/what-is-the-difference-between-influenza-and-covid-19
A more obvious difference between influenza and COVID-19 is in their causative agents. Influenza viruses belong to a virus family known as Orthomyxoviridae. COVID-19 is caused by a coronavirus named SARS-CoV-2, which is classified in the family Coronaviridae. Both families consist of RNA viruses, but they differ particularly with regard to the protein layer that encapsulates the RNA.

More specifically, influenza viruses express two surface antigens (foreign proteins)—hemagglutinin (H) and neuraminidase (N)—which trigger an immune response. The exact form of these antigens changes every now and then, resulting in the periodic emergence of new, more virulent influenza viruses with the potential to cause a pandemic. The surface of SARS-CoV-2 does not have these antigens. Rather, similar to other types of coronaviruses, its outer surface is studded with glycoprotein spikes, which give such viruses a crownlike, or coronal, appearance. Spike glycoproteins are responsible for triggering the immune response, and they carry out the critical function of enabling the coronavirus particle to enter cells, where it then replicates.
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Sounds like my microbiology class.

You can lead a blowhardtard to facts, but you cannot make him think.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Really? You are going with that idiotic claim? On April 8th, CDC did not have complete data for March of 2020 so the author is using incomplete data. Then he cherry picks a large flu season while not including the worst months of Covid deaths. By March 30th there were only 4,000 deaths in the US from Covid 19.
So.. Let's look at the comparison, week by week.

week 2018 2019 2020
1 - 66,134 58,292 59,576
2 - 67,495 58,354 59,919
3 - 64,647 58,197 58,400
4 - 62,780 57,837 57,855
5 - 60,974 58,128 57,385
6 - 61,110 58,496 57,996
7 - 59,779 57,918 57,339
8 - 57,793 57,862 57,336
9 - 56,692 57,922 57,630
10 - 57,093 58,509 57,184
11 - 56,326 57,897 55,658
12 - 55,766 57,089 55,790
13 - 54,918 56,674 58,824
14 - 55,294 56,594 66,580
15 - 55,228 55,482 71,879
16 - 54,038 54,461 67,059

Yep. Figures don't lie but liars do figure.

Lie number one from you- there are more deaths in 2020 than in 2018.
Deaths through week 16 in 2018 - 946,067
Deaths through week 16 in 2020 - 956,410


The worst part of it is your claim that March was the height of the pandemic. April was. By March 20 we only had 70 deaths from Covid. If we simply compare the worst week from 2018 and 2020 we see that 2020 has more deaths in one week than any time in 2018. A four week period in 2020 is worse than the worst 4 week period in 2018.

At this point we are averaging 13,000 more deaths per week than during 2018 or 2019. You are free to stick you head in the sand but numbers don't lie. When final numbers come in for April we will probably be 25,000 more deaths from the beginning of the year to the end of April than in 2018
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What kind of gullible idiots exist that actually believe that face masks are going to stop or even slow down a "sub-microscopic" pathogen?

And your retort? PROBABLY is a very scientifically objective term.:laugh: Dumb asses.....do you actually assume that when you change a mathematical algorithm from months to cherry pick "WEEKS" away from the totality of a sum that changes the mathematical FACTS? :palm: As Mark Twain stated, "Figures don't lie......but liars sure as hell figure.

Again......simply look at the idiots that have been conned into thinking they are safe from a virus with an actual mortality rate of less than 1%....because they wear non sealing, non self contained costumes (that is exactly what a mask is because there is no way in hell that its going to check a sub-microscopic infection). If this bug is as deadly as the left proclaims, to be safe you have to be outfitted with something close to a space suit with a self contained non-infected air supply. FYI: Masks might.....MIGHT help fight a Bacteria MICROSCOPIC pathogen...but this is a VIRUS...a sub-microscopic pathogen.

The question is...…..who is making money from the DUMB ASSES who have bought into this lie wholesale? :dunno: The first place I would check is any pool of POLITICAN'S who are heavily invested in a stock that represents medical supplies.

First you state a parroted and pasted false model about this bug being above 3% in its rate of mortality. A number that has been debunked because the WHO forgot to include …..the number of people who were infected and recovered that did not even realize they had been infected with the bug (why was this information omitted by the WHO? Because when the recovered is included in totality....the fake 3.4% model addresses REALITY with a morality rate that some estimate to range less that 1%.....FYI: The recovery number is 99%. Any model or algorithm is as only as good as the evidence that is included or excluded.

These are the same people that were sending out supposed valid testing kits...….that showed up to an 80% false positive......the test kits from the WHO were so bad they returned back POSTIVE for Covid…..when it was a goat and a pawpaw that were tested.


https://time.com/5798168/coronavirus-mortality-rate/

Read...the truth: Up to 50% of infected individuals do not even realize they have the COVID 19 virus. Which begs to ask the question...….what kind of models can be accurately PROJECTED when 50% of the test base are never included.....considering the fact that 99% of those people who are otherwise healthy (not at risk due to age or per-existing condition) example only mild side effects often make a total recovery in 3 days. Exclude 50% of a foundational number...…..what do you get? Bull Shit propaganda.


When the proper testing is preformed that morality rate in a nation like S. Korea drops to 0.6% Why? S. Korea tested over 1100 people per million residents. Compare that to the model being propagated by the FAKE MEDIA in the US where the US had been testing only "7" (SEVEN) per million residents....using that data the model projected a 5% morality rate in the US.

Thank God for a leader like Trump who sees through the left wing (deep state) bullshit.....now that more testing is taking place...….the models are being reduced....recently the so called experts stated, "our models "may have" projected a number that is actually up to 25% higher than it should be......if they admit to 25%.....what does the actual data demonstrate?:bigthink:
 
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Ralph said:
What kind of gullible idiots exist that actually believe that face masks are going to stop or even slow down a "sub-microscopic" pathogen?

And your retort? PROBABLY is a very scientifically objective term.:laugh: Dumb asses.....do you actually assume that when you change a mathematical algorithm from months to cherry pick "WEEKS" away from the totality of a sum that changes the mathematical FACTS? :palm: As Mark Twain stated, "Figures don't lie......but liars sure as hell figure.

Again......simply look at the idiots that have been conned into thinking they are safe from a virus with an actual mortality rate of less than 1%....because they wear non sealing, non self contained costumes (that is exactly what a mask is because there is no way in hell that its going to check a sub-microscopic infection). If this bug is as deadly as the left proclaims, to be safe you have to be outfitted with something close to a space suit with a self contained non-infected air supply. FYI: Masks might.....MIGHT help fight a Bacteria MICROSCOPIC pathogen...but this is a VIRUS...a sub-microscopic pathogen.

The question is...…..who is making money from the DUMB ASSES who have bought into this lie wholesale? :dunno: The first place I would check is any pool of POLITICAN'S who are heavily invested in a stock that represents medical supplies.

First you state a parroted and pasted false model about this bug being above 3% in its rate of mortality. A number that has been debunked because the WHO forgot to include …..the number of people who were infected and recovered that did not even realize they had been infected with the bug (why was this information omitted by the WHO? Because when the recovered is included in totality....the fake 3.4% model addresses REALITY with a morality rate that some estimate to range less that 1%.....FYI: The recovery number is 99%. Any model or algorithm is as only as good as the evidence that is included or excluded.

These are the same people that were sending out supposed valid testing kits...….that showed up to an 80% false positive......the test kits from the WHO were so bad they returned back POSTIVE for Covid…..when it was a goat and a pawpaw that were tested.


https://time.com/5798168/coronavirus-mortality-rate/

Read...the truth: Up to 50% of infected individuals do not even realize they have the COVID 19 virus. Which begs to ask the question...….what kind of models can be accurately PROJECTED when 50% of the test base are never included.....considering the fact that 99% of those people who are otherwise healthy (not at risk due to age or per-existing condition) example only mild side effects often make a total recovery in 3 days. Exclude 50% of a foundational number...…..what do you get? Bull Shit propaganda.


When the proper testing is preformed that morality rate in a nation like S. Korea drops to 0.6% Why? S. Korea tested over 1100 people per million residents. Compare that to the model being propagated by the FAKE MEDIA in the US where the US had been testing only "7" (SEVEN) per million residents....using that data the model projected a 5% morality rate in the US.

Thank God for a leader like Trump who sees through the left wing (deep state) bullshit.....now that more testing is taking place...….the models are being reduced....recently the so called experts stated, "our models "may have" projected a number that is actually up to 25% higher than it should be......if they admit to 25%.....what does the actual data demonstrate?
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Months are made up of weeks and weeks are made up of days. You seem to not understand that which any second grader could tell you is the case.

I gave you the numbers. Can't do the math so you just spout nonsense?

It seems you don't know what an N95 mask is or what it can filter out. And then you simply repeat the same tired and invalid argument you repeated earlier.

But you still can't explain why the actual count of death certificates give 13,000-17,000 more deaths per week than the average of the last 3 years. I wonder why that is.

Your evidence that the recovery rate is 99%? You claim any model is only as good as the data so where is your data showing 99% recovery? It certainly isn't in the data from any country that has done testing. You seem to think if you simply make up numbers, they must be real. You seem to be the gullible idiot.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Months are made up of weeks and weeks are made up of days. You seem to not understand that which any second grader could tell you is the case.

I gave you the numbers. Can't do the math so you just spout nonsense?

It seems you don't know what an N95 mask is or what it can filter out. And then you simply repeat the same tired and invalid argument you repeated earlier.

But you still can't explain why the actual count of death certificates give 13,000-17,000 more deaths per week than the average of the last 3 years. I wonder why that is.

Deaths per CHERRY PICKED WEEKS v. Total number of death overall. 2018 is still 15% higher in totality than the total number of deaths in 2020...thus far. How dense are you?:palm:

Your evidence that the recovery rate is 99%? You claim any model is only as good as the data so where is your data showing 99% recovery? It certainly isn't in the data from any country that has done testing. You seem to think if you simply make up numbers, they must be real. You seem to be the gullible idiot.
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Yeah...…..a face mask can stop a SUB-microscopic pathogen. :laugh: Let's take a look at the source of your parroted and pasted FAKE INFORMATION concerning the use of a face mask to stop the SCARS-COV-2.....aka, COVID 19 virus. Even in your SOURCE (anyone can surf the web to look for information.....the problem with all leftists....they fail to read the entire context of the information they just parroted and pasted)…….its admitted that a N95 type of mask.....MIGHT help someone from spreading the disease with their own exhaled air....but even the N95 (very expensive and in short supply for the lay person who is forced to use common surgical masks due to cost and supply)…..is not 100% effective when worn by medical professionals. :bigthink:

Just like all leftists....when you found something to parrot and paste that you assumed supported your argument....you omitted the actual FACTS in their totality. The CDC "DOES NOT RECOMMEND" the N95 mask for General use. Why? 1. These masks are in serious shortage even for front line medical professionals. 2. These masks are difficult to use due to incorrect sealing by non professionals. 3. The Cost to a lay person. 4. Thus the lay person is left (pun intended) with being sold on wearing a Costume that does nothing to stop a sub-microscopic pathogen such as SARS 2....aka COVID 19

You better go parrot and paste some more fake news. Do you own or do you know anyone that has access to a Model N95 CDC mask? Then why present the fake information? Do you see any member of the CDC going into a room contaminated with a deadly viral pathogen like Ebola with an N95 mask only? You are promoting this virus as serious as EBOLA....yet you suggest that masks can stop the spread of it. Reality: Its not as serious as suggested......its nothing but "PANIC PORN" pumped out by the fake media and the dimwits in the hopes of taking back our government in NOV. 2020.

The people are not as think you stupid they are...…...even with all the bullshit lies being spread, Trump is winning by almost double digits in 15 battleground states (the same ones that elected him in 2016)…...only a leftist believe the trash pumped out by the MSM.

www.livescience.com/are-face-masks-effective-reducing-coronavirus-spread.html
 
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Ralph said:
Yeah...…..a face mask can stop a SUB-microscopic pathogen. :laugh: Let's take a look at the source of your parroted and pasted FAKE INFORMATION concerning the use of a face mask to stop the SCARS-COV-2.....aka, COVID 19 virus. Even in your SOURCE (anyone can surf the web to look for information.....the problem with all leftists....they fail to read the entire context of the information they just parroted and pasted)…….its admitted that a N95 type of mask.....MIGHT help someone from spreading the disease with their own exhaled air....but even the N95 (very expensive and in short supply for the lay person who is forced to use common surgical masks due to cost and supply)…..is not 100% effective when worn by medical professionals.
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There is so much here that is YOUR FAKE INFORMATION. N95 is called 95 for a reason. It stops 95% of nanoparticles for the wearer if worn properly. An N95 mask protects the person wearing the mask but only if worn properly and removed properly. Have you ever been trained to wear an N95 mask? I am guessing not because you have just spouted so much fake crap. One of the biggest issues with medical professionals is contamination when removing protective gear. It isn't that the masks don't protect when worn properly. In fact many hospitals have instituted a policy for Covid wards where there is one person designated to ensure everyone is putting on and taking off the masks and other protective gear correctly because it is very easy to get the virus on you as you are removing protective gear. Hospitals have long had an issue with getting everyone to follow the proper sanitary procedures and they have spent the last 10 years trying to address that. Quite successfully as they have reduced hospital caused infections by 50% in some cases.

Just like all leftists....when you found something to parrot and paste that you assumed supported your argument....you omitted the actual FACTS in their totality. The CDC "DOES NOT RECOMMEND" the N95 mask for General use. Why? 1. These masks are in serious shortage even for front line medical professionals. 2. These masks are difficult to use due to incorrect sealing by non professionals. 3. The Cost to a lay person. 4. Thus the lay person is left (pun intended) with being sold on wearing a Costume that does nothing to stop a sub-microscopic pathogen such as SARS 2....aka COVID 19
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Number 2 is quite correct. I see a lot of people wearing N95 masks when they are out and about and they are not wearing them properly. Before the pandemic I could buy 3M N95 masks for about $1 each. Actually, 3M is suing anyone that is selling them for more than $3 these days.

You better go parrot and paste some more fake news. Do you own or do you know anyone that has access to a Model N95 CDC mask? Then why present the fake information?
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There is no "model N95 CDC" mask. N95 is a designation that designates whether a mask has meet the standard of blocking 95% of particles. I have been using N95 masks off and on for decades. I have also been using them properly since part of my job in the past has been teaching OSHA required respirator training.

Do you see any member of the CDC going into a room contaminated with a deadly viral pathogen like Ebola with an N95 mask only? You are promoting this virus as serious as EBOLA....
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Really? When did I say it was as deadly as Ebola. By the way Ebola is a body fluid pathogen so it is transmitted quite differently from a coronavirus. No member of the CDC would go into a room where someone is being treated for Covid -19 wearing just an N95 mask. Now you are just being stupid.
yet you suggest that masks can stop the spread of it. Reality: Its not as serious as suggested......its nothing but "PANIC PORN" pumped out by the fake media and the dimwits in the hopes of taking back our government in NOV. 2020.
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You just keep thinking that, Ralph. Maybe wishing on your part will make it true. Perhaps you should go get the virus and find out how much of "panic porn" it is.

The people are not as think you stupid they are...…...even with all the bullshit lies being spread, Trump is winning by almost double digits in 15 battleground states (the same ones that elected him in 2016)…...only a leftist believe the trash pumped out by the MSM.
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And you accuse me of being out of touch with reality? 15 battleground states? There are about 7 of them. Trump is trailing by 7 or more points in MI and PA. If he doesn't win those 2 states then he has to win all the other battleground states of which he is currently polling down by 3 in AZ and WI and about tied in NC. Down by 7 or so in NV. The latest polling also has Trump down by about 3 in FL.
 
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