Daylight63
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Again, not sure whom you are talking about but it seems to be your topic now.
Is it hard to stay on topic when you are mad about someone or something?
The problem of evil
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Again, not sure whom you are talking about but it seems to be your topic now.
Is it hard to stay on topic when you are mad about someone or something?
Daylight63
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Why are you so obsessed with punishment for other people's crimes?
Seems that "vengeance" is your faith.
Again, I will suggest you hit up Matthew 5:43-48.
I will go so far to say that unless you can actually understand and accept Matt 5:43-48 then you don't really understand Christianity.
Dutch Uncle
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Agreed. He seems to run in cycles.
What's funniest to me is how he follows you around like a puppy and you are wearing bacon-flavored shoes. LOL
^^^ Multiple personality disorder?
Perry has jettisoned his reasonable and lucid personality, and once again transitioned into the snarky and resentful version of Perry.
Dutch Uncle
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I'd assert good prevails most of the time with evil having its day. Of course, we'd have to delineate the line between good and evil.Good prevails over evil sometimes and at key moments. I did not deny that.
However, I challenge anyone to look at five thousand years of human history and tell me evil and cruelty usually are held accountable by justice.
Look how Trump got off scot free!
Example: Was Lincoln good for starting a war that cost the US 2% of its population or was he evil? Was King David good for his ruling of Israel or was he evil for sending Uriah off to die so David could have his wife, Bathsheba?
Trump's final chapter hasn't been written yet. He might die a horrible death such as a stroke that paralyzes him from the neck down and lets him live for another ten years.
Dutch Uncle
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Like a puppy dog. LOL
Daylight63
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But you see, Cypress, this is the essence of Christianity. Not what punishment others will get but why do I (or YOU) deserve to be punished.
If you don't understand that then you don't understand Christianity at all.
Christianity is the faith where salvation REQUIRES that one accept that one is fallen and indeed NOT deserving of salvation. It is a GIFT.
That is the entire essence of Christianity. That's what Grace is all about.
If you don't get that simple bit then you don't understand the faith at all. Certainly not enough to talk about it.
Yeah, it's really abnormal psychotic obsession to wish Joseph Stalin had been held accountable for his life of crime
Daylight63
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Yeah, it's really abnormal psychotic obsession to wish Joseph Stalin had been held accountable for his life of crime
Do you understand that this is the antithesis of Christian thought, right? This is about as anti-Christian as thought gets.
We will have to disagree. I see five thousand years of human history filled to the brim with cruelty, oppression, slavery, genocide, and rarely are the perpetrators held accountable by the scales of justice or fairness.
Most of Europe's Jews were already dead by the time Hitler committed suicide in the comfortable living quarters of his bunker. That's hardly a really satisfying adjudication of justice.
No it is not.
Preventing harm to others.
I don't know anybody who doesn't think Hitler and Stalin should have been held accountable for their heinous crimes. Except for Nazis and Stalinists.
And Trump.
Daylight63
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As I said, it is clear you are unfamiliar with Christianity at it's base. It's super hard to not wish punishment on evil doers, but as a Christian one is asked to "love thy neighbor" and "resist not evil but turn the other cheek".
That's the coolest aspect of Christianity in my opinion. It's also the hardest and why people have so much difficulty with it. It is truly probably the most REVOLUTIONARY thing about Christianity.
But it resides in self-awareness. The ultimate core concept is that NONE OF US are good people. We ALL fall short of the ideal. And that NO ONE "earns" salvation but that it is a gift freely given by God via his "Grace".
For an atheist like myself the best part of "grace" is that I can give it to others. And others can give it to me. Because NONE OF US are perfect or good people. We all have the ability to hurt and be hurt.
The best we can do is show "Grace" to each other and "forgive" our enemies....no matter how vile they are.
THAT is why Christianity is so hard.
^^Always the Christians who are the most hate filled.
Daylight63
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That's pretty close to my version of morality which is nothing more than our "codification" of the things which we are evolutionarily primed to do anyway (to preserve our stable social network).
Okay, but laws have nothing to do with evolution.
Daylight63
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Why couldn't you understand my post? I thought it was pretty clear.
Nothing you say is clear. You are a hate troll.