As automation hits the developing nations, education is becoming more and more important.
The REALITY that the Alt Right does not want to face about San Francisco and NYC
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As automation hits the developing nations, education is becoming more and more important.
When I was young, everyone wanted to live in Seattle. Quickly, it became too expensive for anyone who is young.
This is a rebirth opportunity for the hip cities. It makes me wish I was young (and hip) enough to take advantage of it.
Meanwhile, most trump counties had population highs decades ago. They are slipping deeper and deeper into despair.
Darth Omar
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Much of it can be technical training. Too much emphasis has been placed on college degrees.
Even automated machines require upkeep and fixing. We may get to where there’s no transportation industry but we won’t be alive to see it. Goods will always need delivered so there’s all manner of support industry jobs that don’t require a degree.
Do you know any diesel mechanics? They don’t starve. Construction industry isn’t going away. Materials for construction need produced and delivered. Electricians etc etc.
It can be argued we have too many people with college degrees. In fact, if was coming out of HS I’d give learning a trade a hard look.
I was pointing out 'who benefits by MORE people'.
(Hint: It's NOT the American Working Class)
Pretty sure I never said that.
while it is expensive lots of young move there from flyover for MS (53,576), Amazon (50,000), Boeing(60,000), Google (4500), Starbucks (4,000) and others
Yes, the more affluent young people are moving to the hip cities, but this might be an opportunity for some of the less affluent young people to move there.
What amazes me is NYC continues to grow. Where are they finding the room? It is one of the most densely populated cities, and is not geographically growing. They keep finding more ways to fit more people into that same tightly packed area.
In 1980, no one knew how it could fit that many people. Now it is 20% larger.
I know it is not growing as fast as many other cities, but those other cities had a lot more room to grow into. NYC has no room to grow into.
Even Manhattan has grown by 14% since 1980. They added a few acres to it in the 1970's, but other than that it has not changed in size.
cawacko
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Walt, considering you tried to tell us that two homes worth $300K each actually totaled multi-millions of dollars I don’t know that I’d be lecturing others on math or values.
And what you choose to leave out about a place like S.F. is that while there is demand we artificially restrict supply. You reference capitalism but in a true capitalist market we would allow new development and thus help reduce the massive price increases we have seen.
And what you choose to leave out about a place like S.F. is that while there is demand we artificially restrict supply. You reference capitalism but in a true capitalist market we would allow new development and thus help reduce the massive price increases we have seen.
This might surprise you, but I agree. Places like San Francisco and Los Angeles could go much higher, and could fit far more people into the limited space. NYC would have trouble fitting far more people into the limited space, but there are areas around NYC that could do far more.
These are artificial restrictions enforced by people who already live there, and own property, to keep out people who want to live there. It takes on a nasty generational dispute too, as we see most of a generation locked out of home ownership.
But it still is supply and demand. Supply is limited both artificially, and by just limited space. Demand for high productivity, hip cities is very high.
cawacko
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In cities like S.F., LA and Seattle much of it is zoned for single family housing which makes little sense today as cities should be more dense and more reliant upon public transportation. Instead our current zoning makes the cities, and our country, less dynamic.
You are correct. The zoning is decided by the single families that already live there. Their property prices go up, and they do not have to live with "other people" so they love the rules. NIMBY-ism is out of control in America.
That effects supply, but does not remove the forces of supply and demand. Much like making cocaine illegal does not stop supply and demand from keeping cocaine readily available.
The radical Democrats Party with their open borders and sanctuary cities.
There is lots of room for growth, especially in the Bronx, specifically the south bronx...
It will be a gold mine one day...........
I wonder where growth is not restricted in some manner in a modern city>>I guess artificially means restrictions we don't agree w/??
Well if the ppl that live there want it that way what business is it of ppl some place else??
Shouldn't the locals decide or should they be forced to do w/ their properties what someone else dictates??
In 1977, Carter gave a famous speech in the ruins of the South Bronx about rebuilding. In 1980, reporters tried to return to the place to find out what had happened. The rebuilding had been so complete, that it was impossible to figure out which intersection the speech had been given from. Literally it had turned from a moonscape to overpriced housing in four years. The housing around where Carter gave the speech now costs more than a million dollars.
The South Bronx depopulated, but has since repopulated with more people. That is the fascinating thing you can watch happen in NYC. You can see neighborhoods complete change their ethnicity, social class, and population over a decade or two.
I guess artificially means restrictions we don't agree w/??
A relative of mine builds mobile home parks. It is often impossible to get zoning permission. No one wants the poor people in their town. These people need somewhere to live.