The Reckoning we Need to Ensure a "More Perfect Union"

[Into the Night]

collective punishment is outlawed in the u.n.

What's the UN got to do with anything discussed here?

reparations among racial lines will never happen. its too stupid.

It is also theft.

very few americans owned slaves. most were family farmers or sharecroppers.

Very true.

take your bullshit somewhere else.

I've been telling him this for several posts now. Thanks for your support.

 

[Into the Night]

And if you listen to the right everything, unless run by Democrats, is free from issues and run perfectly. If you don't believe the "more perfect" union is now perfect (minus Democrats) then you don't love this country.

Bigotry. Go stuff it elsewhere, dude.

 

[Into the Night]

Nobbody said anything about reparations or collective punishment.

Obviously this is too complicated for you to have a conversation about.

Thanks for sharing.

Lie. You did. Now you wish to deny your own statements?

 

[Into the Night]

This is far from a perfect country but it's the closest thing on this fucking planet. We have made no significant headway toward improving America since the left was butt hurt by trump's election. He did nothing to help change people's minds about him l but in all fairness I don't think he ever could have changed anyone's mind about him. There was too much hatred.

Yet many minds were changed because of Trump's accomplishments.

 

[Into the Night]

The reason is that athlete shows nothing but contempt for America while the other shows contempt for the govt. I realize talking badly about the govt is a mortal sin to some people but it really isn't. And BTW there are no committees being formed to look into her behavior so to claim it wasn't denounced as loudly seems hollow.

Racism. Bigotry. Go stuff it elsewhere, dude.

 

[Whythink]

Lie. You did. Now you wish to deny your own statements?

Show me where I said reparations.
Fyi, you can't.

That is your word not mine.

 

[Whythink]

I don't think Into the Night either reads or comprehends what is posted before responding. It is almost comical.

He dismisses everything as racism or bigotry, or (my favorite) irrelevant.

The topic of the OP is post WWII Germany navigating its role in the Holocaust. Coming to terms with the horror it inflicted.

It then compares that to what happened in this country after slavery ended. As a student of history, I found that interesting.

I then asked questions about if we need to have that honest conversation and consider taking similar actions.

The most basic example is monuments.

I never suggested reparations. I just wonder how we can continue the quest for a "more perfect" union.

 

[Into the Night]

Show me where I said reparations.
Fyi, you can't.

That is your word not mine.

Okay. You want to deny your own statements again. Meh. Anyone that wants to can go look for themselves.

 

[Into the Night]

I don't think Into the Night either reads or comprehends what is posted before responding. It is almost comical.

He dismisses everything as racism or bigotry, or (my favorite) irrelevant.

The topic of the OP is post WWII Germany navigating its role in the Holocaust. Coming to terms with the horror it inflicted.

It then compares that to what happened in this country after slavery ended. As a student of history, I found that interesting.

I then asked questions about if we need to have that honest conversation and consider taking similar actions.

The most basic example is monuments.

I never suggested reparations. I just wonder how we can continue the quest for a "more perfect" union.

Racism. Bigotry.
Stuff it elsewhere, dude.

 

[BidenPresident]

I don't think Into the Night either reads or comprehends what is posted before responding.

Correct. He is a buffoon.

 

[Whythink]

Okay. You want to deny your own statements again. Meh. Anyone that wants to can go look for themselves.

So you cannot show where I suggested reparations!!!

Thanks for sharing.

 

[Into the Night]

So you cannot show where I suggested reparations!!!

Thanks for sharing.

Okay. You want to deny your own statements again. Meh. Anyone that wants to can go look for themselves.

 

[Whythink]

Okay. You want to deny your own statements again. Meh. Anyone that wants to can go look for themselves.

You said you are a leftist who supports CRT, BLM, socialism, and President Biden.


You want to deny your own statements again. Meh. Anyone that wants to can go look for themselves

See how full of BS a baseless accusation with no evidence (because it doesn't exist) is?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

What do you say to a family that moved to the US after 1865? Or, one that lived in some part of the US not incorporated into the US prior to 1865? Or, those that lived in territories of the US that weren't actually states prior to 1865 since they had no real say in federal or national politics just as say, Puerto Rico is today?

 

[Into the Night]

You said you are a leftist who supports CRT, BLM, socialism, and President Biden.

Never did. Your a liar. You make up shit about what I said, and you deny what you said. You're a liar.

You want to deny your own statements again. Meh.

I am not denying my own statements.

Anyone that wants to can go look for themselves

That they can.

See how full of BS a baseless accusation with no evidence (because it doesn't exist) is?

False equivalence fallacy. Denial of self argument (paradox).

 

[Into the Night]

What do you say to a family that moved to the US after 1865? Or, one that lived in some part of the US not incorporated into the US prior to 1865? Or, those that lived in territories of the US that weren't actually states prior to 1865 since they had no real say in federal or national politics just as say, Puerto Rico is today?

I don't say anything. I wasn't born yet. Is there a point here?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I don't say anything. I wasn't born yet. Is there a point here?

Yes. The OP tries to make the argument that it doesn't matter what your personal history is / was, what's important is your ethnicity. That alone makes you guilty of the past sins of some unrelated persons who share some vague resemblance to you. Thus, all Whites are guilty of the sins of slavery and all Blacks victims, regardless of whether your ancestors participated in some way or not. Even worse, it absolves Blacks of being slave owners, which some were.

The whole thing smacks of a shallow, childish, exercise in mental gymnastics that defies all logic. But then again, that pretty much defines about 99% of Leftist thinking.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

What's the UN got to do with anything discussed here?

It is also theft.

Very true.

I've been telling him this for several posts now. Thanks for your support.

your mama.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

I don't say anything. I wasn't born yet. Is there a point here?

so you're just being an idiot then.

 

[Whythink]

Yes. The OP tries to make the argument that it doesn't matter what your personal history is / was, what's important is your ethnicity. That alone makes you guilty of the past sins of some unrelated persons who share some vague resemblance to you. Thus, all Whites are guilty of the sins of slavery and all Blacks victims, regardless of whether your ancestors participated in some way or not. Even worse, it absolves Blacks of being slave owners, which some were.

The whole thing smacks of a shallow, childish, exercise in mental gymnastics that defies all logic. But then again, that pretty much defines about 99% of Leftist thinking.

That is not what the OP argues.

I really just see some parallels between Germany dealing with the sins of the Holocaust and the US dealing with the sins of Slavery.

As a result of reconstruction failing, we, as a country (not race/ethnicity) never had that reckoning. Never truly healed those wounds.

100 years after slavery ended the United States did end segregation and enforcement Civil Rights for all Americans. However, that 100 years included celebrating the Confederacy and its leaders. The very people that fought to maintain slavery and fought against the US.

In Germany, the opposite happened. Partially because of pressure by the US. They actually have laws against celebrating Nazis or creating memorials for Nazi leaders.

This isn't about race it is about how a country failed to reckon with the sins of slavery for 100 years. Then, when the reckoning happened, statues remained and the argument quickly becomes "I am not guilty".

True, I am not guilty, but this country is/was. If the country struggles to denounce those who fought to maintain slavery how can the ancestors of those who were enslaved feel?

Again, maybe none of it matters. I just found it an interesting comparison. I don't think politics plays a role.

The story of Germany the leader breaking down was powerful. He wasn't guilty but felt guilty for Germany, not because of race or ethnicity.

If we can celebrate the glories of the past that we didn't contribute to why can't we have guilt about the failures? It doesn't have to be about race,it can be about being an American.

No???

Sorry for the long response. This is really difficult to explain on this forum. Especially with the assumptions about me based on previous posts. Yes, I am more liberal than conservative. I don't believe that had anything to do with my thoughts after reading the story.