The Road to a Supreme Court Clerkship Starts at Three Ivy League Colleges

T. A. Gardner said:
By mostly people who went to college but failed to actually get any sort of education while they were there from what I can see...
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It is fair to assume a person who graduated college will work hard for future gain. It shows above-average intelligence. Those are good qualifications for an employee. You can learn something about what they are like before an interview.
 
Nordberg said:
It is fair to assume a person who graduated college will work hard for future gain. It shows above-average intelligence. Those are good qualifications for an employee. You can learn something about what they are like before an interview.
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US Presidents have recently come from Harvard and Yale. These know nothing goofs don't get what is going on.
 
Nordberg said:
It is fair to assume a person who graduated college will work hard for future gain. It shows above-average intelligence. Those are good qualifications for an employee. You can learn something about what they are like before an interview.
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T. A. Gardner said:
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Good meme.

OTOH, it's in our nation's best interests to maximize the potential of our citizens. While global corporations are cleaning up, American citizens have become less competitive. Cutting wages only hurts us. Advancing into new tech is the best way to compete in a technological world and maintaining an average or better standard of living.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Good meme.

OTOH, it's in our nation's best interests to maximize the potential of our citizens. While global corporations are cleaning up, American citizens have become less competitive. Cutting wages only hurts us. Advancing into new tech is the best way to compete in a technological world and maintaining an average or better standard of living.
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That's why we should be putting more effort into alternatives to college. I remember reading a trade magazine for the machining industry some years ago. There was an article by a guy that was higher up in the Ridge Tool (Rigid tools is the commercial brand) corporation saying that the company went to high schools in the Illinois / Indiana area to try to recruit students into a apprenticeship program to become tool and die makers. This was back in the 90's. Ridge was offering at that time an excellent wage to learn then something like $75,000 (today that'd be like $125,000) a year when you completed the program. You got medical, retirement, and other benefits. It was a killer good deal and the students were turning it down because they wanted to go to college and supposedly make more money.

You can make great money doing something that doesn't require a degree, but we have an education system that says you need to go to college or you will end up with a crappy job.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That's why we should be putting more effort into alternatives to college. I remember reading a trade magazine for the machining industry some years ago. There was an article by a guy that was higher up in the Ridge Tool (Rigid tools is the commercial brand) corporation saying that the company went to high schools in the Illinois / Indiana area to try to recruit students into a apprenticeship program to become tool and die makers. This was back in the 90's. Ridge was offering at that time an excellent wage to learn then something like $75,000 (today that'd be like $125,000) a year when you completed the program. You got medical, retirement, and other benefits. It was a killer good deal and the students were turning it down because they wanted to go to college and supposedly make more money.

You can make great money doing something that doesn't require a degree, but we have an education system that says you need to go to college or you will end up with a crappy job.
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What if those kids wanted to be an accountant or engineer? Why should they learn the tool and die industry?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That's why we should be putting more effort into alternatives to college. I remember reading a trade magazine for the machining industry some years ago. There was an article by a guy that was higher up in the Ridge Tool (Rigid tools is the commercial brand) corporation saying that the company went to high schools in the Illinois / Indiana area to try to recruit students into a apprenticeship program to become tool and die makers. This was back in the 90's. Ridge was offering at that time an excellent wage to learn then something like $75,000 (today that'd be like $125,000) a year when you completed the program. You got medical, retirement, and other benefits. It was a killer good deal and the students were turning it down because they wanted to go to college and supposedly make more money.

You can make great money doing something that doesn't require a degree, but we have an education system that says you need to go to college or you will end up with a crappy job.
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Agreed on alternatives to four-year degrees, but we still need both. The point we can agree upon is that college isn't for everyone. The best needs of the nation are served by maximizing the potential of our citizens.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Agreed on alternatives to four-year degrees, but we still need both. The point we can agree upon is that college isn't for everyone. The best needs of the nation are served by maximizing the potential of our citizens.
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I doubt the world needs anywhere close to the number of soft degree liberal arts majors and fine arts majors that the US produces...
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I doubt the world needs anywhere close to the number of soft degree liberal arts majors and fine arts majors that the US produces...
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My concern about the future of the US is more than my concern about the world. Dissing degrees isn't helping. Focusing on leading Americans toward more technological jobs is positive and beneficial goal.
 
Doc Dutch said:
My concern about the future of the US is more than my concern about the world. Dissing degrees isn't helping. Focusing on leading Americans toward more technological jobs is positive and beneficial goal.
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Pretending like a degree in Gender or Ethnic studies is useful doesn't help, to mention two that are out there... It also doesn't help if someone gets a degree that is meritless. I would hold up Jill Biden's doctorate as an example of that. Her dissertation wasn't even worthy of a Master's candidate.
 
Rightys ignore that going to college broadens horizons. You take history classes, and literature classes and learn a lot. It makes you a more well-rounded person. College is not a glorified apprenticeship.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Pretending like a degree in Gender or Ethnic studies is useful doesn't help, to mention two that are out there... It also doesn't help if someone gets a degree that is meritless. I would hold up Jill Biden's doctorate as an example of that. Her dissertation wasn't even worthy of a Master's candidate.
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First, why do you give a shit?

Two, are you saying that Americans can't spend money on whatever education they like?

Lastly, people who demean a doctorate of education for teachers while praising Trump University strike me as either jealous and/or college dropouts.
 
Doc Dutch said:
First, why do you give a shit?

Two, are you saying that Americans can't spend money on whatever education they like?

Lastly, people who demean a doctorate of education for teachers while praising Trump University strike me as either jealous and/or college dropouts.
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Sure, Americans can spend their money on whatever education they want. I don't want them however to get to use public funds for getting a degree in stupidity. As for Trump University I never praised it and you are a liar and provocateur if you keep claiming I did. Also, I can and will demean people getting post graduate degrees that are based on bullshit like Jill Biden's is. My Master's thesis was 76 pages long with an extensive bibliography and notes on top of that on the history of electronic warfare in World War 2. It puts her doctorial dissertation to shame, and I did that Master's for fun more than anything else.
 
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