The Road to a Supreme Court Clerkship Starts at Three Ivy League Colleges

T. A. Gardner said:
Sure, Americans can spend their money on whatever education they want. I don't want them however to get to use public funds for getting a degree in stupidity. As for Trump University I never praised it and you are a liar and provocateur if you keep claiming I did. Also, I can and will demean people getting post graduate degrees that are based on bullshit like Jill Biden's is. My Master's thesis was 76 pages long with an extensive bibliography and notes on top of that on the history of electronic warfare in World War 2. It puts her doctorial dissertation to shame, and I did that Master's for fun more than anything else.
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For someone claiming to have an MA you are dumb as shit.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Sure, Americans can spend their money on whatever education they want.

I don't want them however to get to use public funds for getting a degree in stupidity.

As for Trump University I never praised it and you are a liar and provocateur if you keep claiming I did. Also, I can and will demean people getting post graduate degrees that are based on bullshit like Jill Biden's is. My Master's thesis was 76 pages long with an extensive bibliography and notes on top of that on the history of electronic warfare in World War 2. It puts her doctorial dissertation to shame, and I did that Master's for fun more than anything else.
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Thanks for clarifying your POV.

Agreed. Do you think a degree in music, philosophy or education is a "degree in stupidity"?

Good to see you refute Trump but very interesting to see you so emotionally upset...especially your outrage at a doctor of education. Have you been having "issues" lately? Poor health? Concerns for a loved one?
 
Doc Dutch said:
Thanks for clarifying your POV.

Agreed. Do you think a degree in music, philosophy or education is a "degree in stupidity"?
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No. I do think one in Gender Studies, Ethnic Studies, Star Trek (yes, that exists), or Golf Course / Bowling Alley management are stupid.

https://www.dreamshala.com/most-useless-college-degrees/

A Fine Arts degree is justifiable for someone who is already a prodigy at some art like music or painting. For anybody else, it's a waste of time. It's like going to college to play a sport as a stepping stone to professional sports because you're damn good at it. If you aren't you are wasting your time outside of it being an extracurricular activity.

Good to see you refute Trump but very interesting to see you so emotionally upset...especially your outrage at a doctor of education. Have you been having "issues" lately? Poor health? Concerns for a loved one?
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It isn't the idea of a doctorate in some field, but rather that many universities are turning out people who aren't anywhere near qualified at the level of their supposed degree. Mediocrity should not be rewarded.
 
Nordberg said:
Rightys ignore that going to college broadens horizons. You take history classes, and literature classes and learn a lot. It makes you a more well-rounded person. College is not a glorified apprenticeship.
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This is interesting on a couple of levels.

The first is politics. When I was a kid the big base of the Democrats were the working class. Now people, and political parties, aren't static so things do change. Thanks to technology and globalization many manufacturing jobs, where people could live close to a middle class lifestyle, started to disappear thus making a college degree more important. But up until even 2016 I believe Republicans still won a majority of college aged voters. That changed with Trump. For the first time Republicans got more of the working class vote and Democrats got a majority of college educated voters. Then Trump made his famous 'I love the undereducated' comment and that was a game changer. Many Democrats went from being pro working class to fvck those guys and thus why so much hyping of college.

Generally speaking I think kids should go to college. At the same time I recognize all kids have their own path in life and going to college at 18 doesn't necessarily have to be a part of it. It could be money related, it could be a kid is smart but doesn't test well, a kid may have family trouble of of their control etc. etc. Not everyone goes to elite boarding schools, then the Ivy League then to Wall St. That path doesn't necessarily make someone a more well rounded person nor a better person.

The reality too is the government and Universities have almost colluded to make the cost of college today so astronomical. Going to college doesn't guarantee everyone is going to earn a high income once out. There are people with college degrees saddled with tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of dollars in debt. Not all graduates go into high paying fields.

We also live in 2023. Sitting in a classroom isn't the only way to learn. Hell, many college classes today are taught online. There are all kinds of ways for people to gain knowledge throughout their life without paying super high college costs. Everyone has their own path. The idea that a person isn't, or can't be, well rounded because they didn't pay $80K to sit through some history class doesn't resonate with me.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No. I do think one in Gender Studies, Ethnic Studies, Star Trek (yes, that exists), or Golf Course / Bowling Alley management are stupid.

https://www.dreamshala.com/most-useless-college-degrees/

A Fine Arts degree is justifiable for someone who is already a prodigy at some art like music or painting. For anybody else, it's a waste of time. It's like going to college to play a sport as a stepping stone to professional sports because you're damn good at it. If you aren't you are wasting your time outside of it being an extracurricular activity.

It isn't the idea of a doctorate in some field, but rather that many universities are turning out people who aren't anywhere near qualified at the level of their supposed degree. Mediocrity should not be rewarded.
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Me too, but unlike the outraged Trumpians, I disagree on preventing people from studying what they please. IMO, federal funds should focus on STEM degrees but States are allowed to fund whatever their citizens like.

Agreed on mediocrity. The "Everyone gets an 'A'" philosophy is more "feel good" than productive.
 
cawacko said:
This is interesting on a couple of levels.

The first is politics. When I was a kid the big base of the Democrats were the working class. Now people, and political parties, aren't static so things do change. Thanks to technology and globalization many manufacturing jobs, where people could live close to a middle class lifestyle, started to disappear thus making a college degree more important. But up until even 2016 I believe Republicans still won a majority of college aged voters. That changed with Trump. For the first time Republicans got more of the working class vote and Democrats got a majority of college educated voters. Then Trump made his famous 'I love the undereducated' comment and that was a game changer. Many Democrats went from being pro working class to fvck those guys and thus why so much hyping of college.

Generally speaking I think kids should go to college. At the same time I recognize all kids have their own path in life and going to college at 18 doesn't necessarily have to be a part of it. It could be money related, it could be a kid is smart but doesn't test well, a kid may have family trouble of of their control etc. etc. Not everyone goes to elite boarding schools, then the Ivy League then to Wall St. That path doesn't necessarily make someone a more well rounded person nor a better person.

The reality too is the government and Universities have almost colluded to make the cost of college today so astronomical. Going to college doesn't guarantee everyone is going to earn a high income once out. There are people with college degrees saddled with tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of dollars in debt. Not all graduates go into high paying fields.

We also live in 2023. Sitting in a classroom isn't the only way to learn. Hell, many college classes today are taught online. There are all kinds of ways for people to gain knowledge throughout their life without paying super high college costs. Everyone has their own path. The idea that a person isn't, or can't be, well rounded because they didn't pay $80K to sit through some history class doesn't resonate with me.
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The classroom experience has its own payoff. The people you meet and deal with are as a rule smarter and more interesting. You make connections for potential jobs and find career paths. yeah, you are more rounded going to school.
 
BidenPresident said:
It is not news that the justices favor a handful of law schools in doling out clerkships, a glittering credential that all but guarantees success in a profession obsessed with status markers. But the study adds another factor: To get a clerkship, it really helps to have gone to college at Harvard, Yale or Princeton.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/06/us/supreme-court-ivy-league-harvard-yale.html
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Let's not overlook that Harvard, Yale, and Princeton are pretty fucking good schools.
 
Nordberg said:
The classroom experience has its own payoff. The people you meet and deal with are as a rule smarter and more interesting. You make connections for potential jobs and find career paths. yeah, you are more rounded going to school.
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Now you're changing your argument. You said before taking a history class in college makes one more well rounded. People can learn history in books, by visiting museums or in various forms online. It's not exclusive to a classroom.

Yes, people pay $80K+/yr to go to elite schools because at its core it's a great virtue signal to employers. There is no question having an elite school on your resume can open doors for you. And you also do it to be around other rich kids/kids who will be rich. It's great networking. But going to school with rich kids doesn't automatically make one more well rounded.
 
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BidenPresident said:
It is not news that the justices favor a handful of law schools in doling out clerkships, a glittering credential that all but guarantees success in a profession obsessed with status markers. But the study adds another factor: To get a clerkship, it really helps to have gone to college at Harvard, Yale or Princeton.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/06/us/supreme-court-ivy-league-harvard-yale.html
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With their holy trinity trio of universities holding a monopoly to maintain a strong union of Christiananality pedophilia "serve the Pope or die" with Islam "death to the infidels" so SCOTUS Klues Klucks duh Klans Bicentennial thieving US Constitution arsonists are granted standing and again for 9/11 is all their "man is God" glittering patriot act credentials need in suicidal super ego sociopsychopathilogical homicidal human farming for the Peter Principle pyramid scheme survival of the fittest fascists national religion decades later.
 
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