The Roof....the Roof...the roof is on fire.....

Nothing was privatised here. Dude chose to live in an area that had no fire services. WTF is he thinking?

But we should all sing it to the heavens, "Dear Lord if they cut any of our $4 trillion dollar budget we'll all die!"

Wait a minute...he could have had fire protection for 75.00 a year! It was a government, not private entity, whose hands were supposedly tied over policy! A city with 3 full time fire fighters and 2 part time were made available for those outside of the taxed area for a mere 75 bucks~are you fricking kidding me! That said their policy sucks...but that's not unusual with government.

A private company could have negotiated with the guy on the spot, but it takes a fucked in the head beaurocracy to tell the guy no in the moment! This has pure government idiocy stamped all over it...not private for "profit" operation
 
I believe we are heading towards a douchebag and shitty fucking human being singularity that will eventually result in the end of the human race.
 
I believe we are heading towards a douchebag and shitty fucking human being singularity that will eventually result in the end of the human race.


...and it all comes down to undiluted, "I got mine and I don't give a fuck about my neighbors" greed. The financial backers (ie puppet masters) of the whole astroturf teabaggers movement, who have become so shameless that they are no longer even trying to hide their identities, are so rich that they can afford their own private security forces and fire protection, and want to duck out of their responsibilities for the general welfare, and before anybody says that's the job of the government and not the individual, that philosophy is predicated on the false notion,promulgated by the right, that the government and the people are separate entities.

Wrong.

Why do you think the preamble begins with "We, the people..." or why Lincoln in the Gettysburg Address referred to "government of the people, by the people, and for the people"? Because we are the government, and the government is us. If that is not the case, and the government is serving the interests of the few, in violation of the interests of the many, then We the people need to get off our lazy asses and vote the fuckers out. We outnumber them, and it's time they were reminded that taxes are the price of admission to the benefits of living in a free society, the pooling of resources to do things as a group that we can do as individuals, like build the interstate highway system (a Republican idea, by the way, and a good one, but it should have been paired with a subsidized passenger train system, instead of being built in lieu of providing mass rail transit). The douchebags responsible for the false individuals vs government dichotomy, are greedy pricks who think their responsibility for the public welfare ended when they got rich. "Dick" Armey, of FreedomWorks, one of the astroturf organizations, has always inveighed against publicly funded health care, despite the fact that he has never paid for health insurance in his miserable, lying, hypocritical life. His father was military, so young Dickhead grew up with free health care. Right out of college he taught in the Texas educational system, which had state government subsidized health care as one of its benefits, then went to Congress, which provides free health care to all of its members, and no doubt FreedomWorks provides his health care today, Th point is that from birth through the end of his congressional career "Dick" has been sucking on the government teat, and had the temerity to pretend otherwise. All these "rugged individualists" touting their alleged self-made success, have ignored the leg up society gave them. Clarence Thomas made big time use of affirmative action in his education, before deciding it was no longer needed. Nice "I got mine, so fuck the rest of you" attitude. There's a word for that...let's see...oh, yeah...it's called hypocrisy, and it's a hallmark of douchebagism.
 
I'm laughing at this editorial writer. What if the home owner had to spend $75 on a sick child? This is right after the writer gets through telling us the owner has a 44 year old son. If you are in your 60's or 70's and own a home but have to decide between paying $75 for medication for your child or fire protection there is something seriously wrong with that financial picture.
What a crock of shit Wacko. This is an issue of ethics. I personally think the fire department that stood by and allowed this house to burn are rank fucking amatures. Shades of Marcus Licinius Crassus. The right thing to do, the ethical thing to do, the professional thing to do is put the fire out first and argue about fees later. This should cost both the Mayor and the Fire Chief their jobs as they are knuckle headed amatures.
 
Show me a Libertarian who champions affective government.

I'll be waiting right here.

Once again this comment just shows you do not understand Libertarians. Because libertarians believe government has a certain role to play does not mean they want the government to do its role poorly.
 
What a crock of shit Wacko. This is an issue of ethics. I personally think the fire department that stood by and allowed this house to burn are rank fucking amatures. Shades of Marcus Licinius Crassus. The right thing to do, the ethical thing to do, the professional thing to do is put the fire out first and argue about fees later. This should cost both the Mayor and the Fire Chief their jobs as they are knuckle headed amatures.

That is not a crock of shit it is exactly what the editorial writer said.
 
It is when you won't identify how you are going to do that.

I went to three anti-war rallies in San Francisco during the 2000's. At the end of each they had these small splinter groups of anarchists that would break off and start destroying property and wrecking havic. Not surprisingly most were young kids in their 20's in this group. If you think the whole goal of the libertarian movement is to join these kids then again you do not understand libertarianism.
 
I went to three anti-war rallies in San Francisco during the 2000's. At the end of each they had these small splinter groups of anarchists that would break off and start destroying property and wrecking havic. Not surprisingly most were young kids in their 20's in this group. If you think the whole goal of the libertarian movement is to join these kids then again you do not understand libertarianism.
Then please tell us, in detail, how will libertarians do exactly what they say they will do but have never, ever actually done?
 
Then please tell us, in detail, how will libertarians do exactly what they say they will do but have never, ever actually done?
What is it that they say they "would do"? Do they say it in unison? Are you thinking of the political party or people who ascribe to the idea that the least force is the best?

Are you confusing the leftist Anarchist movement with Libertarianism again?
 
What is it that they say they "would do"? Do they say it in unison? Are you thinking of the political party or people who ascribe to the idea that the least force is the best?

Are you confusing the leftist Anarchist movement with Libertarianism again?
Right wing stramwan Damo. Someone doesn't agree with you so you marginalize them as a "leftist". What have Libertarians ever done? Corner a Libertarian on specifics of how they would make goverment better and more affective and you don't get answers, you get irrelevent comments about "leftist".
 
Right wing stramwan Damo. Someone doesn't agree with you so you marginalize them as a "leftist". What have Libertarians ever done? Corner a Libertarian on specifics of how they would make goverment better and more affective and you don't get answers, you get irrelevent comments about "leftist".

I don't think its an irrelevent comment at all. There have been mutliple comments on this board that have equated libertarianism with wanting no government which isn't the case.
 
Nothing was privatised here. Dude chose to live in an area that had no fire services. WTF is he thinking?

But we should all sing it to the heavens, "Dear Lord if they cut any of our $4 trillion dollar budget we'll all die!"

Ummm Einstein, what do think will start to happen when people like dano get their wish? The fact is we r looking at what happens when public services are privatised and said service is optional.
 
Right wing stramwan Damo. Someone doesn't agree with you so you marginalize them as a "leftist". What have Libertarians ever done? Corner a Libertarian on specifics of how they would make goverment better and more affective and you don't get answers, you get irrelevent comments about "leftist".
I asked questions, they do not "marginalize" you in any way.

Again, you made the assertion, back it up or admit you are doing what you try to accuse me of here.

You are steeped in hypocrisy when it comes to libertarianism. I remember when you used to say that if the Rs started working towards smaller government and stopped the religious intrusion you'd be all over it. Now when you see signs of it you dismiss it as "libertarian anarchists" (an oxymoron)...
 
Right wing stramwan Damo. Someone doesn't agree with you so you marginalize them as a "leftist". What have Libertarians ever done? Corner a Libertarian on specifics of how they would make goverment better and more affective and you don't get answers, you get irrelevent comments about "leftist".

i get it now....the left wing talking points memo must have had a section on accusing your opponent of "strawman" when you can't actually discuss the issues

that is the only explanation that makes sense because you and onceler are throwing the term around and its clear you have no clue what it means
 
Right wing stramwan Damo. Someone doesn't agree with you so you marginalize them as a "leftist". What have Libertarians ever done? Corner a Libertarian on specifics of how they would make goverment better and more affective and you don't get answers, you get irrelevent comments about "leftist".

Dude, that is simply not true and you know it. several of us on here have told you what we would do or push for. Turn your selective hearing switch to the off position for once.
 
Ummm Einstein, what do think will start to happen when people like dano get their wish? The fact is we r looking at what happens when public services are privatised and said service is optional.

why are you lying? The fire service was NOT privatized and you damn well know it. It was financed and payed for by property taxes for that very town. The city government policy was to then offer services outside of the city limits for a yearly fee.

stop lying to push your bullshit agenda.
 
This really isn't even how a private corporation would act. You'd probably have a "subscription" fee and a "one time" fee. If one fire company refused to put it out you'd just call another. There would probably even be government regulations requiring it to be put out in emergency situations, and dealing with the financial situation later, just as if you take your kid to the emergency room and they're dying the hospital can't ask you for your credit card. But, the city decided that, perhaps, from its economic standpoint they might have a better economic outlook by terrorizing others into paying. And with its monopoly status it's reputation is irrelevant since the people have no choice. Who knows in the long run? May as well destroy this persons life and find out. The mayor of this town is the worst person in the world.
 
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