The Roof....the Roof...the roof is on fire.....

Libertarian approach: pay the $75 and get your damned services. Its called personal responsibility, and at the municipal level, it makes since to pay direct taxes where you can see where resources are coming and going.

Moronic approach: claim that Libertarians support what the victims did, because its against government.

Mottley approach: go one step further than the Moronic Approach, and claim that libertarians are the one's setting up strawperson arguments, after setting up one giant whopper of your own.
 
cawacko said:
Dude chose to live in an area that had no fire services.
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Really? NO fire services?

Because I thought I read somewhere that the firefighters drove to the guy's house then just sat there?

Sounds to me like there were services...just not for our guy...
 
Mott the Hoople said:
What a crock of shit Wacko. This is an issue of ethics. I personally think the fire department that stood by and allowed this house to burn are rank fucking amatures. Shades of Marcus Licinius Crassus. The right thing to do, the ethical thing to do, the professional thing to do is put the fire out first and argue about fees later. This should cost both the Mayor and the Fire Chief their jobs as they are knuckle headed amatures.
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THANK YOU!!

MY GOD I can't believe the callousness of some of the poster here...
 
There were no services for "our guy" because he didn't engage in that leftist spiritual ritualistic experience of paying taxes to God.
 
Damocles said:
I asked questions, they do not "marginalize" you in any way.

Again, you made the assertion, back it up or admit you are doing what you try to accuse me of here.

You are steeped in hypocrisy when it comes to libertarianism. I remember when you used to say that if the Rs started working towards smaller government and stopped the religious intrusion you'd be all over it. Now when you see signs of it you dismiss it as "libertarian anarchists" (an oxymoron)...
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Nice wiggle but you've still avoided my challenge. Please list specifics on how libertarians would make government more affective.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Really? NO fire services?

Because I thought I read somewhere that the firefighters drove to the guy's house then just sat there?

Sounds to me like there were services...just not for our guy...
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From the article...


Cranick, who lives outside the city limits, admits he "forgot" to pay the annual $75 fee. The county does not have a county-wide firefighting service, but South Fulton offers fire coverage to rural residents for a fee.
Cranick says he told the operator he would pay whatever is necessary to have the fire put out.

His offer wasn't accepted, he said.

The fire fee policy dates back 20 or so years.

"Anybody that's not inside the city limits of South Fulton, it's a service we offer. Either they accept it or they don't," said South Fulton Mayor David Crocker.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
THANK YOU!!

MY GOD I can't believe the callousness of some of the poster here...
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As the Mayor said if people could just pay the fee at the time of the fire then that's all they would do. They would never pay their annual fee. Well how does that work out for the fire department?

In a sense it's like saying I only want to pay for insurance when I need it but I don't want to pay for it when I'm healthy.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Nice wiggle but you've still avoided my challenge. Please list specifics on how libertarians would make government more affective.
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As a point of comparison I would love to see what Democrats are doing (if anything) to make government more affective.
 
Smarter Than All Y'All said:
Lies?

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/06/tennessee-firefighters-watch-home-burn/

Firefighters did eventually arrive on the scene, but only to protect the property of a neighbor who had paid the fee. WPSD’s video report, above, showed the crew standing near the fire as it burned but refusing to intervene.
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yes, lies. mott and zappa are intimating that this guy called the fire department and they just sat there because they didn't feel like doing anything about it. It's been pointed out numerous times that they were following the cities policies on rural residents either paying a fee or not.

If you need to blame someone, feel free to blame the mayor and city council. THEY made the policies. The firefighters followed their bosses rules.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
yes, lies. mott and zappa are intimating that this guy called the fire department and they just sat there because they didn't feel like doing anything about it. It's been pointed out numerous times that they were following the cities policies on rural residents either paying a fee or not.

If you need to blame someone, feel free to blame the mayor and city council. THEY made the policies. The firefighters followed their bosses rules.
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I am not blaming anyone.

You stated that Zappa'sGuitar posted lies.

What lies?

I don't see anyone "intimating that this guy called the fire department and they just sat there because they didn't feel like doing anything".

As the video clearly shows (if you watch it), the firefighters first refused to respond due to their policy, and then showed up to safeguard a neighboring home.

The crew watched the house burn until they were told to leave by their superiors, who tried to get the news media removed from the scene.

So, where are the "lies"?
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Really? NO fire services?
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correct. there were no fire services for rural folks outside of the city limits. The exception to this was for those rural folks who paid a 75 dollar annual fee.

ZappasGuitar said:
Because I thought I read somewhere that the firefighters drove to the guy's house then just sat there?
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because THAT guy paid the 75 dollar fee.

ZappasGuitar said:
Sounds to me like there were services...just not for our guy...
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k, this is true. not a lie. so sue me for getting one wrong.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
correct. there were no fire services for rural folks outside of the city limits. The exception to this was for those rural folks who paid a 75 dollar annual fee.

because THAT guy paid the 75 dollar fee.



k, this is true. not a lie. so sue me for getting one wrong.
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I won't sue you. Thanks for owning up like a man.
 
cawacko said:
As the Mayor said if people could just pay the fee at the time of the fire then that's all they would do. They would never pay their annual fee. Well how does that work out for the fire department?

In a sense it's like saying I only want to pay for insurance when I need it but I don't want to pay for it when I'm healthy.
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I would say Mr Mayor holds his constituents in pretty low esteem if he truly believes everyone of them would be deadbeats if given the chance...

Do property owners outside the municipality not pay property taxes?

To whom? The state?

Does the state not give said municipality money FROM the aforementioned property taxes collected?
 
ZappasGuitar said:
I would say Mr Mayor holds his constituents in pretty low esteem if he truly believes everyone of them would be deadbeats if given the chance...

Do property owners outside the municipality not pay property taxes?

To whom? The state?

Does the state not give said municipality money FROM the aforementioned property taxes collected?
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rural property taxes are usually paid to the most local government they belong to. This would be the county they are in. I highly doubt that the city gets any extra funding from the county. State funds to the city most likely go to highways in their borders.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Nice wiggle but you've still avoided my challenge. Please list specifics on how libertarians would make government more affective.
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You made an assertion, not a "challenge", this is an attempt to distract from the fact that 1. You cannot back up your assertion.
2. You do not want to face the introspection necessary to fix your own hypocrisy.
3. You still cannot tell the difference between anarchists and Libertarians only because you do not want to.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
I would say Mr Mayor holds his constituents in pretty low esteem if he truly believes everyone of them would be deadbeats if given the chance...

Do property owners outside the municipality not pay property taxes?

To whom? The state?

Does the state not give said municipality money FROM the aforementioned property taxes collected?
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Not to the Fire District. Your ignorance is astounding. The outlying areas contracted for coverage, this person didn't believe that their stuff was important enough to cover.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
I would say Mr Mayor holds his constituents in pretty low esteem if he truly believes everyone of them would be deadbeats if given the chance...

Do property owners outside the municipality not pay property taxes?

To whom? The state?

Does the state not give said municipality money FROM the aforementioned property taxes collected?
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Fuck if I know dude that's why I asked the question earlier about how these unincorporated areas work. I'm city folk I get scared traveling out in the middle of nowhere.

But if you buy a house you are going to know ahead of time how the place operates in terms of services, schools etc.

And Zap it's human nature, if you don't have to pay something until you need it why would you pre-pay it? If you could give $75 at the beginning of the year for fire service whether you need it or not or pay $75 at the time you need it which would you do?
 
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