The Safety and Efficacy of Vaccines

[Scott]

Clearly almost no one should take another jab unless we get a very lethal variant.

Seeing as how I don't believe a Covid virus exists, I'd say that the vaccines aren't helping against whatever is causing Covid 19 at all. All cons, no pros. I know my position here is pretty far out of the mainstream, but I came to believe this due to the work of a small group of doctors that I write about in the following thread:

Settling the Biological Virus Debate | justplainpolitics.com

Currently the jabs are more dangerous than is SARS-COV2 for 95+% of the population, plus we do have therapeutics that work such as Ivermectin.

I agree that Ivermectin does seem to help with Covid.

We have been extensively lied to and betrayed.

Agreed.

 

[Scott]

"They are either lying or insane or really really stupid.....either way investing time into them is moronic"
Hawkeye the Wise

I think you underestimate the power of the brainwashing that's been done to a lot of people in the west, the fear people had of Covid. I stopped believing that vaccines were beneficial to people long before Covid started, but I remember getting a bit of a cough early on in Covid and thinking that perhaps I had Covid and should get tested. At this point, I'm glad I never did get tested, giving my new belief that viruses don't exist and what they are testing for isn't for a virus at all but rather "sequences" that don't need a virus to turn up in one's body.


It took perhaps a year of intensive reading on the subject of Covid and of viruses in general to finally come to the conclusion that whatever is causing Covid, it isn't a virus. I know that's a bridge too far for many and as I said, it took me a while to get there myself, but the more I looked at the literature on viruses, the closer I got to this conclusion.

 

[Hawkeye10]

I think you underestimate the power of the brainwashing that's been done to a lot of people in the west, the fear people had of Covid. I stopped believing that vaccines were beneficial to people long before Covid started, but I remember getting a bit of a cough early on in Covid and thinking that perhaps I had Covid and should get tested. At this point, I'm glad I never did get tested, giving my new belief that viruses don't exist and what they are testing for isn't for a virus at all but rather "sequences" that don't need a virus to turn up in one's body.


It took perhaps a year of intensive reading on the subject of Covid and of viruses in general to finally come to the conclusion that whatever is causing Covid, it isn't a virus. I know that's a bridge too far for many and as I said, it took me a while to get there myself, but the more I looked at the literature on viruses, the closer I got to this conclusion.

Your lack of tracking is a problem....there is no way you can read very many posts I write and not know that I understand about the brainwashing, and the purposeful burning down of America.

 

[Scott]

My wife's cousin is a nurse. She told her brother repeatedly to get the shot. He was a Trumpy and refused. He died of Covi age 51. I know several people who died from Covid.

Interesting coincidence. I had a good friend whose health was pretty bad and was frequently in the hospital. I tried hard to convince him not to get any Covid shots. He says they gave him the first without warning him and the second and booster shots voluntarily. He died shortly after the booster shot, also at age 51. Now, I'm not claiming that I know that the booster shot did him in, but if I'm willing to say that, then you should be willing to admit that you don't know if your wife's cousin's brother getting covid shots would have helped him at all. In fact, it may well be that it would have just sped him along his way to death.

Here's an article that was published on Wednesday that I thought was rather revealing:

The No. 1 Cause of Death for Under 65s in 2021 — Sudden Death | Children's Health Defense | Children's Health Defense

It's written by Dr. Joseph Mercola, who I generally admire, though I don't share his view that a Covid virus exists. Nevertheless, some good points. Quoting its introduction:

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A survey by Steve Kirsch found sudden death is the No. 1 cause of death among those under the age of 65 who got the COVID-19 vaccine, as myocarditis as a cause of death is now registering across all age ranges but only for the vaccinated.

By Dr. Joseph Mercola

Story at a glance:

•Mounting evidence shows the COVID-19 shots are destroying people’s immune systems and are triggering turbo-charged cancers.

•A survey by Steve Kirsch found sudden death is the No. 1 cause of death among those under the age of 65 who got the COVID-19 jab.

•Myocarditis as a cause of death is now registering across all age ranges but only for the vaccinated. Cardiac-related deaths are also significantly elevated among younger people (under 65) who got the jab compared to their unjabbed peers.

•Recent research shows repeated jabs trigger a switch in the types of antibodies your body produces and lower your ability to clear viruses. By switching from spike-specific neutralizing immunoglobulin G (IgG) antibodies to IgG4 antibodies, your body switches from tumor suppression mode into tumor progression mode.

•In addition to the potential for cancer cells to run amok, IgG4 dominance may also have severe autoimmune implications, as the COVID-19 jab spike protein shares similarities with human proteins.
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[Scott]

Willful blindness bordering on insanity Jordan Peterson calls it, but providing facts and evidence does nothing, they cant see it.

Hope springs eternal . I don't know about anyone being wilfully blind. I just do my best to try to shed light on the truth and see if it helps.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Hope springs eternal .

We are already deep into this next dark age....I encourage you to triage and prioritize.

 

[Scott]

Your lack of tracking is a problem....there is no way you can read very many posts I write and not know that I understand about the brainwashing, and the purposeful burning down of America.

Well, we certainly agree that most if not all of these Covid vaccines are a travesty. I think that the work I've done trying to expose the mainstream lies has helped a few and for that I'm happy.

 

[Scott]

We are already deep into this next dark age....I encourage you to triage and prioritize.

I am. I've had to deal with some things in the real world, so haven't had as much time to spend on here and that may continue in the future. It's nice to try to show others truths they might otherwise miss, but I have to work that time around other things I need to do.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Well, we certainly agree that most if not all of these Covid vaccines are a travesty. I think that the work I've done trying to expose the mainstream lies has helped a few and for that I'm happy.

I look forward to the day that you can feel me.

 

[Into the Night]

Where is my alleged circular argument? As to fear mongering, what in my post do you believe was exaggerated to cause fear?

RQAA.

 

[Into the Night]

My wife's cousin is a nurse. She told her brother repeatedly to get the shot. He was a Trumpy and refused. He died of Covi age 51. I know several people who died from Covid.

None. Covid19 does not kill. Stop making shit up.

 

[Into the Night]

Seeing as how I don't believe a Covid virus exists, I'd say that the vaccines aren't helping against whatever is causing Covid 19 at all. All cons, no pros. I know my position here is pretty far out of the mainstream, but I came to believe this due to the work of a small group of doctors that I write about in the following thread:

Settling the Biological Virus Debate | justplainpolitics.com




I agree that Ivermectin does seem to help with Covid.



Agreed.

The covid19 'vaccine' isn't a vaccine. It's a treatment. mRNA treatments are not a vaccine. It is designed to program cells to manufacture covid19 viruses.

Yes...Ivermectine does seem to be effective against covid19 infection.

 

[Hawkeye10]

The covid19 'vaccine' isn't a vaccine. It's a treatment. mRNA treatments are not a vaccine. It is designed to program cells to manufacture covid19 viruses.

Yes...Ivermectine does seem to be effective against covid19 infection.

It is also not vaccine because it is gene therapy.....the experts have from the jump said that they are not but they lied yet again. This is very experimental....the down sides could be catastrophic...nobody knows.

 

[Walt]

None. Covid19 does not kill. Stop making shit up.

The covid19 'vaccine' isn't a vaccine. It's a treatment. mRNA treatments are not a vaccine. It is designed to program cells to manufacture covid19 viruses.

Into the Night is one of the most accurate posters on this forum.

Night is the misinformation gift that keeps on giving, and making Earl look like a fool.

 

[Walt]

It is also not vaccine because it is gene therapy.

Not gene therapy, but is a vaccine. It does not alter genes, and cannot alter genes.

Even Hawkeye agrees that all the experts say he is wrong. He wears his misinformation as a badge.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Night is the misinformation gift that keeps on giving, and making Earl look like a fool.

Says Almost Never Right Walt.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Not gene therapy, but is a vaccine. It does not alter genes, and cannot alter genes.

Even Hawkeye agrees that all the experts say he is wrong. He wears his misinformation as a badge.

We dont inject vaccine, we inject genetic material that turns our bodies into vaccine factories. What else the genertic material does we have no idea, this is an experiment.

 

[Walt]

We dont inject vaccine, we inject genetic material that turns our bodies into vaccine factories. What else the genertic material does we have no idea, this is an experiment.

MRNA is not "genetic material", and we know what it does.

 

[Tranquillus in Exile]

I've already read about the Salk vaccine, the non government approved version.

What caused the near total elimination of poliomyelitis in the second half of the 20th century?

If I understand your beliefs correctly, it wasn’t because of mass vaccination starting in the 1950s (the article you cited, by “Children's Health Defense Team", implies that vaccination was worse than useless).

So, what did it?


A similar story could be told about smallpox, also a viral disease, which had a death rate of around 30%. It was completely eradicated by mass vaccination (or something else, presumably) before the end of the 20th century.

A child with smallpox in Bangladesh, 1973.


All vaccines have some side effects, and these have to be weighed against the benefits. That’s what health authorities do.

In the case of polio and smallpox there’s no contest. For flu and covid vaccines it MAY be more problematic. But a case cannot be made by cherry picking or outright denial – that’s fringe politics, not science.

 

[Phantasmal]

Interesting coincidence. I had a good friend whose health was pretty bad and was frequently in the hospital. I tried hard to convince him not to get any Covid shots. He says they gave him the first without warning him and the second and booster shots voluntarily. He died shortly after the booster shot, also at age 51. Now, I'm not claiming that I know that the booster shot did him in, but if I'm willing to say that, then you should be willing to admit that you don't know if your wife's cousin's brother getting covid shots would have helped him at all. In fact, it may well be that it would have just sped him along his way to death.

Here's an article that was published on Wednesday that I thought was rather revealing:

The No. 1 Cause of Death for Under 65s in 2021 — Sudden Death | Children's Health Defense | Children's Health Defense

It's written by Dr. Joseph Mercola, who I generally admire, though I don't share his view that a Covid virus exists. Nevertheless, some good points. Quoting its introduction:

**
A survey by Steve Kirsch found sudden death is the No. 1 cause of death among those under the age of 65 who got the COVID-19 vaccine, as myocarditis as a cause of death is now registering across all age ranges but only for the vaccinated.

By Dr. Joseph Mercola

Story at a glance:

•Mounting evidence shows the COVID-19 shots are destroying people’s immune systems and are triggering turbo-charged cancers.

•A survey by Steve Kirsch found sudden death is the No. 1 cause of death among those under the age of 65 who got the COVID-19 jab.

•Myocarditis as a cause of death is now registering across all age ranges but only for the vaccinated. Cardiac-related deaths are also significantly elevated among younger people (under 65) who got the jab compared to their unjabbed peers.

•Recent research shows repeated jabs trigger a switch in the types of antibodies your body produces and lower your ability to clear viruses. By switching from spike-specific neutralizing immunoglobulin G (IgG) antibodies to IgG4 antibodies, your body switches from tumor suppression mode into tumor progression mode.

•In addition to the potential for cancer cells to run amok, IgG4 dominance may also have severe autoimmune implications, as the COVID-19 jab spike protein shares similarities with human proteins.
**

I don’t believe your friend, or you, they do not issue vaccines without warning.