The Safety and Efficacy of Vaccines

[Scott]

My wife's cousin is a nurse. She told her brother repeatedly to get the shot. He was a Trumpy and refused. He died of Covi age 51. I know several people who died from Covid.

None. Covid19 does not kill. Stop making shit up.

Since I don't believe that the Cov 2 virus exists at all, I can certainly agree that the alleged virus isn't killing anyone. However, a lot of people have certainly been said to have died from Covid. I have seen enough to believe that there are a fair amount of covid cases that exhibit symptoms that are novel. So the question becomes, what killed these people? I have ideas as to what may have contributed, amoung them the idea that 5G played a part in at least some of these deaths.

 

[Scott]

The covid19 'vaccine' isn't a vaccine. It's a treatment. mRNA treatments are not a vaccine. It is designed to program cells to manufacture covid19 viruses.

From what I've read, they're designed to create spike proteins, not the whole (and in my view imaginary) Cov 2 virus.

There are certainly some sobering articles on this:
CDC Quietly Removes ‘Claim’ That Spike Protein Doesn’t ‘Last Long’ in Body After COVID Vaccine | Children's Health Defense

‘Worst Yet to Come’: As COVID Spike Proteins Slowly Take Toll on Endocrine System, Expert Warns of Rise in Hormone-Related Diseases | Children's Health Defense

Yes...Ivermectine does seem to be effective against covid19 infection.

I can certainly agree that it appears to be effective against Covid. I haven't yet heard any theories as to why it works though.

 

[Concart]

Seems accusing someone of a flat earther is a rather popular way to discredit someone's beliefs. For the record, I'm not a flat earther.



Perhaps you truly aren't aware of the fact that there are many people who question vaccines and the covid vaccines in particular. The truth is quite different:

Over a quarter of Americans say they know someone they think died from COVID vaccine, poll | justthenews.com

Some medical professionals are beginning to speak out in the mainstream media as well:

Prominent Cardiologist ‘Truthbombs’ Live BBC Broadcast, Calls for Suspension of mRNA Vaccines | childrenshealthdefense.org

If you don't believe that viruses exist, you might actually be DUMBER than a flat earther. Anything published in a peer reviewed journal to support a SINGLE THING YOU SAID?

Didn't think so. THAT son, is how I completely discredit you. Run along.

 

[Scott]

It is also not vaccine because it is gene therapy.....the experts have from the jump said that they are not but they lied yet again. This is very experimental....the down sides could be catastrophic...nobody knows.

Here are some things we do know:

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VAERS data released Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show 1,458,322 reports of adverse events from all age groups following COVID-19 vaccines, including 31,961 deaths and 265,274 serious injuries between Dec. 14, 2020, and Nov. 4, 2022.
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Source:
10-Year-Old Boy Died of Cardiac Arrest 7 Days After Moderna Shot, VAERS Data Show | Children's Health Defense

I've seen plenty of evidence that a lot of cases aren't reported as well.


Another good article:

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Apparently, as mass vaccination progressed in 2021, excess death claims in working-age Americans tripled. Given the temporal relationship, might there be a connection between vaccines and these deaths?

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The insurers attributed most of the 2021 excess deaths to heart and circulatory issues, neurological disorders and stroke. It’s a coincidence, apparently, that nearly all of their deceased customers had just been injected with something known to cause heart and circulatory issues, neurological disorders and stroke.
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Source:
‘Cause Unknown’: Ed Dowd’s Pioneering Exploration of Sudden Deaths After the Rollout of COVID Vaccines | Children's Health Defense


If you like math and charts, I recommend this article from August 2021, getting to the good part:

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This means that the experimental COVID-19 vaccination programs may be killing somewhere between 200 people per million doses and 500 people per million doses---perhaps even more since the U.S. has a more substantial population living with substantial comorbidities, and the world's best cardiac trauma care. At 360 million doses delivered, these estimates suggest between 72,000 and 180,000 (or maybe even a little more) vaccine-induced deaths in the U.S. during the experimental COVID-19 vaccination program. As we will see in future articles, this estimate range matches numerous other mortality signals.
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Full article:
Estimating Vaccine-Induced Mortality, Part I | Rounding the Earth Newsletter

 

[Nordberg]

Sloan Kettering collected the data and said there were 1626 cases of inflammation of the heart muscle and lining. That is in 354 million vaccines given. The condition is very treatable and less dangerous than Covid.https://www.mskcc.org/coronavirus/w...9-vaccines-linked-heart-problems-young-people
Of course, Fox seized on those damn vaccine stats and lied.
The rightys are doing want they do, attacking American institutions and developing conspiracies as needed.

 

[Scott]

Oh, I've already read about the Salk vaccine, the non government approved version. I'll quote a bit from an article on it. Keep in mind that I don't believe in viruses, so this whole "dead virus" bit isn't what I'm getting at, but rather what happened after its use.

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U.S. regulators fast-tracked the Salk vaccine in 1954, deliberating for just two hours before approving it for wide-scale use. Despite Salk’s belief that a “killed-virus” vaccine “could not accidentally cause polio in those inoculated,” the number of reported polio cases rose immediately and dramatically within a year, with particularly steep increases in some states—including a 642% spike in Massachusetts. According to one account, National Institutes of Health doctors and scientists were “well aware that the Salk vaccine was causing polio,” and some health departments even banned it. To make matters worse, in a “massive and highly publicised disaster,” over 200,000 unsuspecting children received a batch of polio vaccine later determined to be defective—manufactured by Cutter Laboratories, the batch contained improperly inactivated (and, therefore, live) polio virus that gave polio to at least 40,000 children.

In the early 1960s, the “cheaper to make, easier to take” live-virus OPV began to supplant the IPV as the polio vaccine of choice and remained in place for nearly 40 years. By then, scientists had been testing the OPV on American children for about a decade; as reported by Koprowski in a 2006 paper, U.S. testing of his oral vaccine took place from 1951-1962. Sabin tested his OPV on millions of Soviet citizens in 1959, immediately followed by U.S. trials. By the summer of 1960, Sabin’s OPV was on the cusp of licensure.

Knowing that children gravitate toward sugar, U.S. health department personnel who administered the oral polio vaccine “helped the medicine go down” by delivering the vaccine serum on sugar cubes. By 1962, “children were lining up at school, tongues out to receive pink-stained lumps of sugar impregnated with Albert Sabin’s live, attenuated oral polio vaccine.” What officials neglected to tell the millions of American children who happily crunched on their sugar cubes was that the OPV, like the IPV, could give them full-blown, iron-lung-type polio. Nor were recipients of either type of polio vaccine informed of their exposure to the cancer-causing viral contaminant SV40, derived from the monkey kidneys used to produce the vaccines. When some vaccine recipients went on to develop polio or cancer (or both), all too often they met with an evasive and uncaring response from public health authorities who refused to admit that their vaccines could cause lifelong damage.
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Full article:

What Polio Vaccine Injury Looks Like, Decades Later | Children's Health Defense

What caused the near total elimination of poliomyelitis in the second half of the 20th century?

If I understand your beliefs correctly, it wasn’t because of mass vaccination starting in the 1950s (the article you cited, by “Children's Health Defense Team", implies that vaccination was worse than useless).

So, what did it?

Another article published in Children's Health Defense provides a good alternative explanation. I'll quote the introduction which summarizes the article, feel free to read the rest:

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March 7, 2022

We’re told the science on polio is settled — but that may not be the case. There are scientists who believe polio-like symptoms could be caused by toxic substances, including pesticides.

Story at-a-glance:

•We are told that the science on polio is settled — but that may not be the case.

•There are scientists who believe that polio-like symptoms could be caused by toxic substances, including pesticides.

•At the time of its popularity, DDT was considered not only “safe and effective” but also good for the prevention of polio.

•However, the opposite could be true, and DDT could have been a major contributing factor to the “polio epidemic.”
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Full article:
A Story About Polio, Pesticides and the Meaning of Science | Children's Health Defense

 

[Into the Night]

Night is the misinformation gift that keeps on giving, and making Earl look like a fool.

Inversion fallacy...fear mongering.

 

[Into the Night]

Not gene therapy, but is a vaccine. It does not alter genes, and cannot alter genes.

Even Hawkeye agrees that all the experts say he is wrong. He wears his misinformation as a badge.

mRNA treatments are not a vaccine.

 

[Into the Night]

MRNA is not "genetic material", and we know what it does.

Who is 'we'? Are you talking to your alternate personality again?

No, you don't know what it does.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

mRNA treatments are not a vaccine.

WHAT ARE mRNA VACCINES

When will you post something you are technically correct on?

 

[Into the Night]

What caused the near total elimination of poliomyelitis in the second half of the 20th century?

If I understand your beliefs correctly, it wasn’t because of mass vaccination starting in the 1950s (the article you cited, by “Children's Health Defense Team", implies that vaccination was worse than useless).

So, what did it?

Sanitation and awareness.
The Salk vaccine was also a factor. Polio is not eliminated.

A similar story could be told about smallpox, also a viral disease, which had a death rate of around 30%. It was completely eradicated by mass vaccination (or something else, presumably) before the end of the 20th century.

Smallpox is not eliminated either. The vaccine is effective, however.

All vaccines have some side effects, and these have to be weighed against the benefits. That’s what health authorities do.

Mandating vaccines is illegal and creates a paradox (paradox V).

In the case of polio and smallpox there’s no contest.

There is. Unfortunately, I use to work with a guy that contracted polio from the vaccine. He lost the use of both of his legs as a child. Fastest guy you've ever seen on crutches though! He could haul on those things faster than healthy people could walk.

For flu and covid vaccines it MAY be more problematic.

There is no 'flu' vaccine. The influenza series contains thousands of variants. Vaccines exist for only a few of them.
There is no 'covid' vaccine. The Covid/SARS series contains dozens of known variants. No vaccine exists for any of them.

That's okay. No variant of the Covid/SARS series kills. The Covid19 variant is the mildest so far discovered of this series.

But a case cannot be made by cherry picking or outright denial – that’s fringe politics, not science.

So why are you cherry picking? That's fringe politics, not science.

 

[Into the Night]

WHAT ARE mRNA VACCINES

When will you post something you are technically correct on?

mRNA treatments are not a vaccine. Nothing the government says will make it so.

 

[Nordberg]

Another article published in Children's Health Defense provides a good alternative explanation. I'll quote the introduction which summarizes the article, feel free to read the rest:

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March 7, 2022

We’re told the science on polio is settled — but that may not be the case. There are scientists who believe polio-like symptoms could be caused by toxic substances, including pesticides.

Story at-a-glance:

•We are told that the science on polio is settled — but that may not be the case.

•There are scientists who believe that polio-like symptoms could be caused by toxic substances, including pesticides.

•At the time of its popularity, DDT was considered not only “safe and effective” but also good for the prevention of polio.

•However, the opposite could be true, and DDT could have been a major contributing factor to the “polio epidemic.”
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Full article:
A Story About Polio, Pesticides and the Meaning of Science | Children's Health Defense

Do you have any understanding of how big a problem Polio was? Of course, the vaccine is settled. https://ourworldindata.org/polio

 

[Saint Guinefort]

mRNA treatments are not a vaccine. Nothing the government says will make it so.

So you think YOUR claim is correct but actual professionals don't know as much.

LOL.

You are a treat.

A total scientific (and rhetorical) idiot who thinks he's so smart that he is right and experts are wrong.

 

[Tranquillus in Exile]

Smallpox is not eliminated either.

There hasn't been a case of smallpox anywhere in the world in over 40 years.

The virus exists now only in two top-security labs (if you believe Phoenyx, it doesn't even exist there).

So why are you cherry picking? That's fringe politics, not science.

I'm not cherry picking. I asked Phoenyx how polio was almost totally eliminated by the end of the 20th century. He suggested it was because people stopped using DDT.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

So you think YOUR claim is correct but actual professionals don't know as much.

LOL.

You are a treat.

A total scientific (and rhetorical) idiot who thinks he's so smart that he is right and experts are wrong.

appeal to authority fallacy.

science is not unquestioningly following a few select scientists.

 

[Scott]

A similar story could be told about smallpox, also a viral disease, which had a death rate of around 30%. It was completely eradicated by mass vaccination (or something else, presumably) before the end of the 20th century.

Even some who believe in viruses disagree that smallpox vaccines played much of a role in the claimed elimination of smallpox outbreaks. Maggie Zhou published what appears to be a small book in State of the Nation that I think is quite educational:

Could Smallpox Vaccine Success Be The First Vaccine Lie? Look At The Evidence | stateofthenation.co

I'll quote the introduction:

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1. CONTAINMENT & SANITATION, NOT VACCINES, ERADICATED SMALLPOX

We’re told that the last case of naturally occurring smallpox was in 1975, and the last case of naturally occurring variola minor (causing a milder form of smallpox with a much lower fatality rate) occurred in 1977. And that the eradication was all due to the WHO’s years of intensive smallpox vaccination campaigns.

Yet, “In 1974, immunization coverage in developing countries was estimated to be less than 5 percent with vaccines distributed by the EPI (Expanded Programme on Immunization, of the WHO), except for slightly higher coverage with bacille Calmette–Guérin (BCG) vaccine.” — Wright, P.F. et al (1991)1

“It is pathetic and ludicrous to say we ever vanquished smallpox with vaccines, when only 10% of the population was ever vaccinated.” — [Glen Dettman Ph.D., pathologist, awarded (together with the eminent Australian doctor Archie Kalokerinos M.D.) the Australian Medal of Merit for “Outstanding Scientific Research”. (1978)]
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[Concart]

Even some who believe in viruses disagree that smallpox vaccines played much of a role in the claimed elimination of smallpox outbreaks. Maggie Zhou published what appears to be a small book in State of the Nation that I think is quite educational:

Could Smallpox Vaccine Success Be The First Vaccine Lie? Look At The Evidence | stateofthenation.co

I'll quote the introduction:

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1. CONTAINMENT & SANITATION, NOT VACCINES, ERADICATED SMALLPOX

We’re told that the last case of naturally occurring smallpox was in 1975, and the last case of naturally occurring variola minor (causing a milder form of smallpox with a much lower fatality rate) occurred in 1977. And that the eradication was all due to the WHO’s years of intensive smallpox vaccination campaigns.

Yet, “In 1974, immunization coverage in developing countries was estimated to be less than 5 percent with vaccines distributed by the EPI (Expanded Programme on Immunization, of the WHO), except for slightly higher coverage with bacille Calmette–Guérin (BCG) vaccine.” — Wright, P.F. et al (1991)1

“It is pathetic and ludicrous to say we ever vanquished smallpox with vaccines, when only 10% of the population was ever vaccinated.” — [Glen Dettman Ph.D., pathologist, awarded (together with the eminent Australian doctor Archie Kalokerinos M.D.) the Australian Medal of Merit for “Outstanding Scientific Research”. (1978)]
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You make zero sense. Why are you citing articles regarding the spread of viruses you claim never existed. Your argument lacks even the trace of critical thought. Zero.

 

[Scott]

Interesting coincidence. I had a good friend whose health was pretty bad and was frequently in the hospital. I tried hard to convince him not to get any Covid shots. He says they gave him the first without warning him and the second and booster shots voluntarily. He died shortly after the booster shot, also at age 51. Now, I'm not claiming that I know that the booster shot did him in, but if I'm willing to say that, then you should be willing to admit that you don't know if your wife's cousin's brother getting covid shots would have helped him at all. In fact, it may well be that it would have just sped him along his way to death.

Here's an article that was published on Wednesday that I thought was rather revealing:

The No. 1 Cause of Death for Under 65s in 2021 — Sudden Death | Children's Health Defense | Children's Health Defense

It's written by Dr. Joseph Mercola, who I generally admire, though I don't share his view that a Covid virus exists. Nevertheless, some good points. Quoting its introduction:

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A survey by Steve Kirsch found sudden death is the No. 1 cause of death among those under the age of 65 who got the COVID-19 vaccine, as myocarditis as a cause of death is now registering across all age ranges but only for the vaccinated.

By Dr. Joseph Mercola

Story at a glance:

•Mounting evidence shows the COVID-19 shots are destroying people’s immune systems and are triggering turbo-charged cancers.

•A survey by Steve Kirsch found sudden death is the No. 1 cause of death among those under the age of 65 who got the COVID-19 jab.

•Myocarditis as a cause of death is now registering across all age ranges but only for the vaccinated. Cardiac-related deaths are also significantly elevated among younger people (under 65) who got the jab compared to their unjabbed peers.

•Recent research shows repeated jabs trigger a switch in the types of antibodies your body produces and lower your ability to clear viruses. By switching from spike-specific neutralizing immunoglobulin G (IgG) antibodies to IgG4 antibodies, your body switches from tumor suppression mode into tumor progression mode.

•In addition to the potential for cancer cells to run amok, IgG4 dominance may also have severe autoimmune implications, as the COVID-19 jab spike protein shares similarities with human proteins.
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I don’t believe your friend, or you, they do not issue vaccines without warning.

I think at this point that I should reiterate that my late friend told me they did this, I didn't witness it myself. I found that my former friend was a pretty honest guy, so I suspect he was telling me the truth. Note that I never said that it was hospital policy to give people covid shots without asking their permission first. I just said he told me that someone, presumably a nurse, had done it to him. I -did- once see a video of a mentally challenged person being forced to get the vaccine, was not a pretty sight. There's certainly been confirmation that this has happened:

State Allows Psychiatric Facilities to Forcibly Vaccinate Patients Against COVID-19 | gothamgazette.com

Anyway, I notice that you didn't respond to the article I quoted above. Any reason for that?

 

[Scott]

Sloan Kettering collected the data and said there were 1626 cases of inflammation of the heart muscle and lining. That is in 354 million vaccines given. The condition is very treatable and less dangerous than Covid.https://www.mskcc.org/coronavirus/w...9-vaccines-linked-heart-problems-young-people
Of course, Fox seized on those damn vaccine stats and lied.
The rightys are doing want they do, attacking American institutions and developing conspiracies as needed.

Would you mind telling me what post you're responding to?