The South is changing. That should worry Republicans in 2018.

ThatOwlWoman said:
We would like to lift them up out of the mire of poverty, racism, and Duck Dynasty that they've so long suffered, and welcome them back to the folds of humanity.
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Democrats want to keep them their so they can continue to deceive them so they will continue to vote democrat
 
Cypress said:
Instead of trying to psycho-analyze me, why not ask what I think?

I do not want racists accepted, tolerated, or provided safe harbor in the Republican or the Democratic parties. They already have their own party - the Nazi Party.

I do not give a shit about electoral politics when it comes to racists. Its about right and wrong. I want racists shunned, mocked, humiliated, and marginalized. I want them to be treated like the subhumans they are. And I would like to see Republicans and Democrats to tell them to stay the fuck out of our parties, we do not want their money or their support.

Oh, and on a similar tangent I would like to see Confederate monuments razed to the ground, and we should make it a tradition to burn confederate rebel flags on the fourth of July
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So you want the democrat party disbanded since they are racists and antisemites and bigots
 
Cypress said:
Nice work, Owl.

One of the most depressing things about the Trump regime is that is has basically given the "very fine" Nazis in this country permission to come out of the closet and indulge their inner racist. It was pretty weird how many of the Nazis in Charlotteville seemed to be in their 20s, judging from the photo evidence. Kind of a bummer!
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You mean he is getting things done. Black unemployment is the lowest it has ever been and he is bringing peace to Korea. He has done what Democrats do not want done
 
cawacko said:
I'm trying to think how to put into words the point I was trying to make with my comment but it's not really coming to me. It wasn't an attack on you or an attempt to psycho-analyze you. There are people like guno who say basically the entire South is racist and anyone who votes Republican is racist. And he regularly says he waits to celebrate the day they all die. Hence my comments on why would you want those people votes? And as we know many people aren't just straight party line voters. Hell look at me, there are only two people I've voted for who currently hold elective office and they are both Democrats. Granted they are on the local level but still...

But there are "red" states that have "blue" governors and/or Senators and vice versa. There were Obama voters that voted for Trump. Not everyone follows politics like we do and not everyone is as emotionally invested in political party's as we are. That's what I'm getting at.
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No, I did not take it as an personal attack. I regret if my tone came across that way.

I don't know much about Guno, but I can say unequivocally there are lots of great, decent people in the south...and some of the most abhorrent racists I have met are from the rural north.

I used to be a Republican, and I never accepted racism. Its not about party. As a Republican, I did not even think of making common cause with racists as an electoral benefit. Did not cross my mind. Of course, I think the Republican party of the 1970s and 1980s had many more progressives and liberal-minded members, and was not openly tolerant of racists.
 
kudzu said:
No he isn't.. he shoots off his mouth and takes bows, but he's getting very little done. He's a profane bully and a moron.. This is a low point in American history.
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We have tax cuts and many things being done like getting out of Obama's useless iran deal and we have Nk ready to go to a peace summit. We have lowest Black unemployment in history
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
It is unlikely that overall there is anything that will change the deeply-ingrained attitudes of the typical racists, no matter where they live. The aging (and dying off naturally) demographic though will lessen the severity of the problem. Yeah, many of them managed to instill the same unreasoning hate in their kids.... but those kids also grew up and were exposed to minorities in popular culture who are admired -- recording artists, actors, sports figures, political leaders, teachers, health care providers, etc. This overcomes, eventually, the fear that is the root of racism. I have a lot of hope for both the South and for our country, as the old guard passes into history and the more open-minded youngsters take their place. I have also long admired the premise behind the Peace Corps. Missionaries sometimes use the same model. We win friends, converts, and spirits by lifting people up out of fear, poverty, and despair. Not by giving them money, but by showing them how to work towards prosperity and peace themselves. Education is a big player in this, and is why leftists in general support public schools and affordable higher education.

Think for a bit why conservatives in general deride education, public schools, and universities.
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You didn't respond to my response, which is totally fine, but the way you phrased the highlighted implies to me at least you have an answer for that in mind. I'd be interested in hearing it.
 
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That's another thing I'm tired of hearing. I mean the idea that people with college degrees are more politically sophisticated than those without them. It's as if someone's political science degree from the 1970's is relevant today.
 
cawacko said:
You didn't respond to my response, which is totally fine, but the way you phrased the highlighted implies to me at least you have an answer for that in mind. I'd be interested in hearing it.
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Conservatives in general think that public education sucks, and the more Xtian they are the more this tends to be true. I'm sure you've noticed the push going on for government-paid vouchers so they can send their kids to religious-based private schools? You've heard of charter schools as well. How many posts have you seen here that whine about the universities being filled with liberals, and teaching useless stuff?

I agree with you about trade schools. I would like to see the stigma removed (by educating both parents and students) and more kids with aptitude being guided in that direction. I'd also like to see post-high school trade schools fully-funded so qualified kids can go for 1-2 years and graduate knowing a skilled trade.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Conservatives in general think that public education sucks, and the more Xtian they are the more this tends to be true. I'm sure you've noticed the push going on for government-paid vouchers so they can send their kids to religious-based private schools? You've heard of charter schools as well. How many posts have you seen here that whine about the universities being filled with liberals, and teaching useless stuff?

I agree with you about trade schools. I would like to see the stigma removed (by educating both parents and students) and more kids with aptitude being guided in that direction. I'd also like to see post-high school trade schools fully-funded so qualified kids can go for 1-2 years and graduate knowing a skilled trade.
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I don't think it's just conservatives who think our education system here sucks or is lacking. For example, look at some of our leading liberal cities in the country. LA, SF, NY. Look how many parents in those cities send their kids to private schools.

There are upper middle class to wealthy suburbs all around the country that have excellent public schools. But unless you have money to afford to move there good luck to you elsewhere.

I'm partly speaking for myself here and partly speaking for conservatives. The status quo of a one size fits all top down education model that we had in the 1950's doesn't work in the 21st Century. But that is what teachers unions continue to fight for as well as many public school advocates. Kids don't all learn the same way. Believing that we need options, such as charter schools, does not mean that person hates public schools. There are many Democrats who support charter schools for instance.

Just my opinion but I believe your premise is wrong that because someone wants to change and improve the system means they hate the system. The argument we often hear from public schools supporters is we need more money. The issue there is if more money is granted and results don't change then the response is "well, we need even more money". It's never ending. I point back to the book The Prize about the Newark School System and Mark Zuckerberg's $100m donation. Very little of that money actually reached the classroom. In fact it just caused more infighting among the bureaucrats. It was a disaster.

Universities are liberal dominated, that's just a fact. And we're seeing conservative voices and speakers being shut down all across the country. Even President Obama commented on it. I don't think pointing that out means one hates Universities or that college is worthless. And to each his own as to what one wants to study in college but there are some worthless classes and for kids racking up tens of thousands of dollars in debt over it I don't think it wrong to ask the question why.

At the end of the day I don't think having a different vision of how to improve the academic culture in our country means one hates public schools and Universities.
 
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