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Superfreak said:
Now Darla... please tell me how I am wrong. If you don't know what the fuck you are talking about... it is ok to learn rather than simply swearing at me and telling me how I would be killed for telling the Venezuelan people what they already know. All your tirade did was make you look foolish on an issue where you are clearly confusing the two coups. Which is understandable given that they both invovled Perez and Chavez.

But none of that changes the facts that Chavez is leading Venezuela from a democracy to a dictatorship.
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I confused the two coups?

Show me where. I am fully aware, more than a free markets! asshole like you will ever be, of what happened and when.

Your opinion is that he is heading towards a dicatorship, you have no evidence, you hate him because he's a socialist, and he doesn't worship at your alter. You cry about a dictatorship that hasn't even occurred yet and give two shits for the brutal dictorships where it is now historical fact , do you know what historical fact means? that hundreds of thousands of people were murdered, and additonal hundreds of thousands of people were tortured. For free markets.

And you don't care. Adn you have the nerve to come on here and cry outrage about a fucking so-called dictator. YOu have zero credibility on the issue. Sorry. Let me know when you have any thoughts whatsoever about the people murdered and tortured and raped and maimed for free markets, concern troll.
 
Superfreak said:
Chavez initiated a coup over Perez in 1992.

Chavez was sent to prison for it.

Chavez was released in 1994.

Chavez ran for President in 1998 and won.

Perez returned the favor in 2002 and staged a coup of Chavez.

The coup did not last and Chavez out couped the coup.

and thank you for all the swearing... it made me laugh....
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I have no idea what your point is. That one ill turn deserves another? It kind of puts a damper on your alleged concern for the rule of law, and human right in Venezuela.
 
So you also admit................

Watermark said:
The only thing that really scares me about Chavez is his seeming desire to reign forever.

Give up, old man - if your positions themselves are what's supporting you, and not just your personality, surely you can find SOMEONE to replace you.
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to being a Commie!...Takes notes!...:pke:
 
Darla said:
Neither you nor SF know what you're talking about on this issue, and I'm not going to discuss it with either one of you anymore, it's fruitless. But I don't want to hear any talk about "I hate Chavez, he's a socialist" and "free markets" because it sickens me, sickens me, sickens me.

Disgusting.
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This is quite pathetic. You are 100% wrong about the coup attempt in 1992 and cannot admit it. Chavez leads his country towards dictatorship, eliminates the "free press" that disagrees with him and you have the gall to get pissy that we are calling a socialist... gasp... a socialist.
 
OK, a guy passes something he labels as an "enabling act" (see German history, specifically in the 30's), that allows him to rule be decree alone, and wants the constitutional prohibitions limiting his terms abolished, and it's ridiculous that I'm worried about where he's heading with this?
 
Superfreak said:
Which quite apparently you were unable to do. You thought you were correct and now, instead of apologizing for swearing at me and going into a temper tantrum, you are going to continue with your elitist attitude that you somehow know more about what the Venezuelan people went through blah blah blah...

I got the specific dates from Wiki.... but after the coup in 2002, they went over in good detail the coup attempt in 1992. While I didn't recall the exact year, the fact that Chavez had attempted the coup was correct. Despite your inability to admit it.

Now do you really want to get all in a tizzy about this? Just admit you were wrong on that one point and we are good. If not, then my opinion of you was obviously placed too high.
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Hello asshole, look back at my posts, I said he attempted a coup, which failed, and that he was then democratically elected three times.

That has nothing to do with the actual issue here. Why are you and other libertarians crying and wringing your hands about a "dictatorship" that doesnt' even exist yet, and even if it did, you still have no concern or care about the hundrends of thousands of people murdered and tortured for your fucking free markets? That makes me sick. Warren probably doesn't even know, he's too young. You and RS know though. Or maybe not. Cawacko probably has his head too far up CATO's ass to know, and maybe you and RS do too, who knows.

But either way, you don't care. It's that simple. And that make this Chavez shit, faux outrage which is exactly what Tiana said in the first place, and she is 100% correct.
 
Darla said:
I confused the two coups?

Show me where. I am fully aware, more than a free markets! asshole like you will ever be, of what happened and when.

Your opinion is that he is heading towards a dicatorship, you have no evidence, you hate him because he's a socialist, and he doesn't worship at your alter. You cry about a dictatorship that hasn't even occurred yet and give two shits for the brutal dictorships where it is now historical fact , do you know what historical fact means? that hundreds of thousands of people were murdered, and additonal hundreds of thousands of people were tortured. For free markets.

And you don't care. Adn you have the nerve to come on here and cry outrage about a fucking so-called dictator. YOu have zero credibility on the issue. Sorry. Let me know when you have any thoughts whatsoever about the people murdered and tortured and raped and maimed for free markets, concern troll.
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In response to my saying Chavez attempted a coup... you stated "He was elected!...HE was elected".... which led me to believe you were confusing the two coups. If I was wrong on that... then I apologize.

The evidence of him leading them towards dictatorship is in the suppression of dissenting views. That in and of itself does not make him a dictator.... but it is most certainly a step in that direction.
 
Superfreak said:
This is quite pathetic. You are 100% wrong about the coup attempt in 1992 and cannot admit it. Chavez leads his country towards dictatorship, eliminates the "free press" that disagrees with him and you have the gall to get pissy that we are calling a socialist... gasp... a socialist.
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One more time asshole, I admitted he attempted a coup, but he did not come to power ni a coup, he was democratically elected.
 
Superfreak said:
This is quite pathetic. You are 100% wrong about the coup attempt in 1992 and cannot admit it. Chavez leads his country towards dictatorship, eliminates the "free press" that disagrees with him and you have the gall to get pissy that we are calling a socialist... gasp... a socialist.
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There's only one venezuelan government in the past two decades, that has been formally charged with widespread human rights abuses. And its NOT the Chavez government. It was his predessessor, the Perez governent.

So, you have no legal, concrete evidence that Chavez is worse than his predessessor. All you have is whatever you read on Drudge. The facts of the matter (EVIDENCE, you know?) is that the previous government was a worse violater of human rights. But, your chavez hatred has blinded you. Why? Because he decided to let foreign oil companies have a 40% stake in oil fields, rather than a 60% stake? Is something that trivial really what sets you off?
 
Superfreak said:
In response to my saying Chavez attempted a coup... you stated "He was elected!...HE was elected".... which led me to believe you were confusing the two coups. If I was wrong on that... then I apologize.

The evidence of him leading them towards dictatorship is in the suppression of dissenting views. That in and of itself does not make him a dictator.... but it is most certainly a step in that direction.
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He was elected.

So right here you want me to get all outraged over "steps in the direction" of a dictatorship, when I know the history of that region? Not likely.

I think that you and your libertarian friends should read the details of that history and then show some damned concern about that, that's what I think.
 
Darla said:
No, Chavez is the one who was elected President in 1992.

And yes, Venezuela is probably the most stable democracy in Latin America. And they elect leftist leaders, rather than allow the US to install muderous dicators, as they did all over Latin and Central America. Hundreds of thousands of people were murdered and hundreds of thousands more tortured under Reagan's adminstration alone, who used this part of the world as a damned workshop, though they were not the first, and you want people to get outraged over a freaking socialist? Reagan is burning in hell today because of what he allowed there.

It is no wonder to me why the Venezuelan people love Chavez. They have not forgotten Guatemala, nor will they ever.
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Darla... it was the above that made me believe you were confused. Note the first line... then turn around and fuck off.
 
Cypress said:
There's only one venezuelan government in the past two decades, that has been formally charged with widespread human rights abuses. And its NOT the Chavez government. It was his predessessor, the Perez governent.

So, you have no legal, concrete evidence that Chavez is worse than his predessessor. All you have is whatever you read on Drudge. The facts of the matter (EVIDENCE, you know?) is that the previous government was a worse violater of human rights. But, your chavez hatred has blinded you. Why? Because he decided to let foreign oil companies have a 40% stake in oil fields, rather than a 60% stake? Is something that trivial really what sets you off?
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Yes that is what has all of the libertarians up in arms. Markets. It's disgusting, sorry Water!
 
Well, I'll give you this Darla.

The neo-liberal economists of the 80 who decended on the dictatorships and instilled them with their ideas were pretty silly.

Dictator: "Hey guys, our economy's floundering, what should I do?"

Neo-liberal economist: "Why, abolish the minimum wage of course!"

Dictator: "Ah! You're brilliant."
 
Darla et al................

are Commie 'Pinko apologist' end of story..go to Iran and preach your BS!

I love being on ignore by the 'Pinkos'..they know I am right behind them...and are really scared!:cool:
 
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Darla said:
Yes that is what has all of the libertarians up in arms. Markets. It's disgusting, sorry Water!
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His economic policy is a little extreme for my tastes, but I can deal with that, because it's obviously not hurting their economy.

He's a sensationalist and I think that's why his message really annoys the libertarians more than other dictators throughout the world.

His socialist cities are a little crazy, but I haven't heard the plans for that. My concerns with him only have to do with the power he seems to want.
 
Darla said:
Yes that is what has all of the libertarians up in arms. Markets. It's disgusting, sorry Water!
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And lets be clear: the irrational hatred of Chavez started way BEFORE there was any talk about him being president for life.

The hatred started when he started bashing bush, and putting venezuelan oil under control of venezuela - albeit still allowing foreing investment as minority partners. Big fucking whoop.

So, really the hatred was about bush bashing, and "free market" economics.
 
Watermark said:
Well, I'll give you this Darla.

The neo-liberal economists of the 80 who decended on the dictatorships and instilled them with their ideas were pretty silly.

Dictator: "Hey guys, our economy's floundering, what should I do?"

Neo-liberal economist: "Why, abolish the minimum wage of course!"

Dictator: "Ah! You're brilliant."
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They didn't just "descend" on them. They actively backed them, and in some cases, overthrew their predecessors. Then the CIA trained their armies in torture, the same kind you see showing up again now in Iraq just by coincidence. For instance, when you read a story about an Iraqi man's daughter or wife being kidnapped and then he is threatened with they're being raped in front of him, or, they actually are raped in front of him, that's CIA. The things that they did, you do need to read actual books on, and more than one, if you can stomach it, and it's not easy.
 
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