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Superfreak said:
While I certainly agree that there are far bigger issues to worry about, my problem with the above is this....

IF Chavez is controlling the media... just how much do you think we will know about what is going on? That is why the suppression of the media is a big warning sign. Again, it does not mean that he will set himself up as a dictator... just that it is a big first step along the path.
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Please don't pretend that your alleged outrage is directly tied to the venezuelan press freedoms.

Hatred of Chavez by bush voters goes back to at least 2002, if not earlier. Because of some vauge feelings rightwingers were getting about socialism in venezuela. All you have to do is mention the word "socialism", and rightwingers reacts like pavlov's dogs. Oh, and the bush bashing by chavez was the other main reason bush voters jumped on the anti-chavez bandwagon.

In fact, on the global stage, venezuela is hardly one of the worst perpetrators of human rights abuses. Yet, bush voters continue to post dozens, if not hundreds of threads about him. Curious.
 
Give it a rest already............

Cypress said:
The chavez hatred started way before he denied the television station a liscence renewel, and way before there was any talk of amending their constitution.

It started even before the Iraq war. the Bush admin supported the 2002 coup against Chavez. I don't think that is in much doubt. Why? Becasue Chavez was renogtiating oil contracts, to take away some of the interest of foreign oil investors. He's never said he's going to kick out foreign investors, or completely nationalize all the oil.

So really, the hatred was against him for economic reasons. The fact that foreign investors were going to lose part of their stake in venezuelan resources. That seems like a trivial reason to hate for you or me, but not for George Bush and corporate america.

It was exactly at this time, that Fox News and the WSJ started ginning up the hatred of Chavez (who, conicidentally got along pretty well with bill clinton). Dittoheads, like some we see on this board, took the bait from Fox News and ran with it. Never knowing a thing about venezuelan history, or that previous governments were as bad - or actually worse - than chavez on human rights
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Chavez is a card carrying communist...hiding behind the Catholic Church...so perdictable...ya are a commie supporter..just admit it already...Along with darla et al!
 
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Darla said:
Neither you nor SF know what you're talking about on this issue, and I'm not going to discuss it with either one of you anymore, it's fruitless. But I don't want to hear any talk about "I hate Chavez, he's a socialist" and "free markets" because it sickens me, sickens me, sickens me.

Disgusting.
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Link me to a post where I said anything of the sort!

Seriously, that I dislike socialism is true, but that doesn't mean that I "hate" Chavez. I watch and learn. I don't "hate" him or even the people in Venezuela for their freely made choices.
 
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Seriously Damo... this is a such a nice feature. Not having to be bothered with the resident idiot.... priceless.
 
uscitizen said:
all their ailments were not because of the USA Damo, but we contributed greatly.

Just continue to swing far to the other side and ignore all that is in the middle Damo.

It is that conservative brain thing, you can't help it.
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Hence the "victims of the cold war" in my post. I pointed out exactly how our foreign policy directly effected them, but also pointed out that their own government's reaction was also responsible for the state of affairs that caused the riots in 1989 that opened the way for the attempted coup in 1992, which pushed Chavez into the spotlight and made his eventual election in 1998 possible.

At least read what I write all the way through before answering one thing you think may be "wrong" about it. It could be that you are just blowing wind.

The truth is that the reaction of Pervez to the downfall of the economy due to the US effort to debase the oil prices to squeeze the USSR into submission during the cold war, is what caused the nation to rebuke the supposed "free market" (highly regulared market, definitely not free) that existed for the policies of Chavez.

It certainly wasn't all caused by CIA teaching torture. That is simplistic and ignores other causes where they were directly effected.
 
Superfreak said:
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Seriously Damo... this is a such a nice feature. Not having to be bothered with the resident idiot.... priceless.
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If you could just admit that your Chavez-hatred goes back years, and is related to the fact that he bashed bush over the Iraq war, and over his leftist reforms of the venezuelan economy (which really isn't your business, since its not your country), we could finish up here.

Please don't pretend that venezulan press freedoms played any role in your chavez hatred, since your hatred predates by years the issue regarding the press.
 
Cypress said:
those countries are bush buddies.
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Right and Pakistan is harboring the OBL bunch it appears. But we have not invaded them yet....

We invaded 2 other countries over 911, and want to bomb another one that had nothing to do with it (Iran), so why not invade Pakistan ? Or even Saudi Arabia which is where most of the 911 terrorists came from....

but then I suppose that would be logical and not emotional enough...
Back to that false outrage thing I guess....
 
WTF..............!

Cypress said:
If you could just admit that your Chavez-hatred goes back years, and is related to the fact that he bashed bush over the Iraq war, and over his leftist reforms of the venezuelan economy (which really isn't your business, since its not your country), we could finish up here.

Please don't pretend that venezulan press freedoms played any role in your chavez hatred, since your hatred predates by years the issue regarding the press.
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Most capitalist hate communism...are you a idiot or just after a quickie!?

God I did not realize that vets had a rough time getting a piece..how sad!:o
 
Me defending Chavez, not especially. Just defending VZ's right to run their own country without interference from the good ol US of A.
 
Superfreak said:
Certain events are certainly fact. But you seem to blame the US for the majority of problems that occured. Others do not share that viewpoint. While the US certainly has a responsibility in many cases, it is not the great evil you are appearing to portray it as. Your viewpoint seems to be coming directly from Chavez himself. :cool:
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It was a force of great evil before WWII and then from Truman on. As soon as Rooselvelt died, the US was a force for evil again there. That is the truth.
 
uscitizen said:
Right and Pakistan is harboring the OBL bunch it appears. But we have not invaded them yet....

We invaded 2 other countries over 911, and want to bomb another one that had nothing to do with it (Iran), so why not invade Pakistan ? Or even Saudi Arabia which is where most of the 911 terrorists came from....

but then I suppose that would be logical and not emotional enough...
Back to that false outrage thing I guess....
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Actually, Saudi Arabia would be the purely illogical and totally emotional strike. The 9/11 terrorists were primarily BORN in Saudi... but hardly from Saudi. Most had been banned from the Kingdom along with Bin Laden in the mid-90's.

But please, continue on with your mindless attempts to defend Chavez. Please continue to act as if it is false outrage. That is the idiots defense and you play it well.
 
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