You don't think taking a jokey quote of mine, clipping it out of context, and displaying it in your sig, was a tad dishonest
I don't care dude. If you think that much about me, that I have to be in your sig, go for it.
The Southern White Man's Party
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You don't think taking a jokey quote of mine, clipping it out of context, and displaying it in your sig, was a tad dishonest
I don't care dude. If you think that much about me, that I have to be in your sig, go for it.
Yah, Darla got there first. I'm good.
Epicurus
Reasonable
The election was contested and its legitimacy was seriously questioned by opposition parties. After the 2000 fiasco here in the US, I imagined that liberals would have more sympathy for those who feel that their elections are unaccountable.
Epicurus
Reasonable
You don't think taking a jokey quote of mine, clipping it out of context, and displaying it in your sig, was a tad dishonest
I don't care dude. If you think that much about me, that I have to be in your sig, go for it.
Well excluding your vaguely Communist avatar, that's probably the closest I'll get to forcing you to admit your socialist leanings.
But I'm just having fun with it. If you cannot bear the shame of it being on my sig I'll take it off, because I am aware that you included a caveat to that statement and that you intended it to prove a point.
Battleborne
Terminator
Say what....?
The only difference between a Super conservative and a Libertarian is that super conservatives mince no words...Libertarians agree but take the 'subtle approach'...sorry Damo...but I do not patronize idiots who support Communism!
I am a rather blunt old fart!
The only difference between a Super conservative and a Libertarian is that super conservatives mince no words...Libertarians agree but take the 'subtle approach'...sorry Damo...but I do not patronize idiots who support Communism!
I am a rather blunt old fart!
Epicurus
Reasonable
So what about our discussion of this topic makes you so uncomfortable that you feel the need to jump in everytime?
Lao Tse
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There are so many better ways to effect things without invasion that should be tried long before such an action. I don't think Venezuela is going to ever be a threat to the US, there is no reason to invade them.
Epicurus
Reasonable
Of course not.
But, apparently the correct course of action is to remain in blind ignorance about their political and economic systems, and never ever ever dare to debate anything about a country other than your own.
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Battleborne
Terminator
LOL.............
That was my point...they are second on the 'main list' after Iran...live with it Jan 2008...will be a firecracker day '4th of July reborne!'
That was my point...they are second on the 'main list' after Iran...live with it Jan 2008...will be a firecracker day '4th of July reborne!'
Well, I admit its kind of fun. I still think bush voters and libertarians still spend way too much time worrying about some petty little president in latin america. But, having been to venezuela, I have a certain affinity for the country. And its always fun to shoot down wildly misinformed commments from bush voters, like superfreak's allegation that pre-chavez Venezeula was some sort of golden era of stable democratic government.
Epicurus
Reasonable
Well, I admit its kind of fun. I still think bush voters and libertarians still spend way too much time worrying about some petty little president in latin america. But, having been to venezuela, I have a certain affinity for the country. And its always fun to shoot down wildly misinformed commments from bush voters, like superfreak's allegation that pre-chavez Venezeula was some sort of golden era of stable democratic government.
Fair enough. Shoot away. I too enjoy poaching ignorance.
I just don't like the implication that there is something we "should be" discussing and that a little ole third world country like Venezuala shouldn't warrant discussion among Americans.
Where are you getting that from? The last election for instance, was one of the most monitored in history and declared free, fair, and transparent, and in fact his free market opponent agreed. The United States can make no such claim. I have no sympathy for people "feeling" something, I have sympathy when there is ample evidence an election was stolen as is the case in the United states.
Nothing like that can be said about Chavez It is simply not true.
Lao Tse
Verified User
Jesus, darla, you're really fucking sick in the head, aren't you?
Epicurus
Reasonable
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/10/30/113504.shtml
Voting Machines Used in 'Rigged' Chavez Election
The controversy swirling around Smartmatic Corp. – which supplies voting machines to many U.S. states – doesn’t begin with the recent reports that the company has links to Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez’s regime.
In fact, Chavez insisted on using machines supplied by Smartmatic – which is reportedly owned by Venezuelans – for his 2004 recall election.
And that election was so rigged in advance in favor of Chavez that the European Union (EU) refused to play an observer’s role, NewsMax reported at the time.
"Unfortunately, it has not been possible to secure with the Venezuelan electoral authorities the conditions to carry out an observation in line with the Union’s standard methodology,” according to a Wall Street Journal report shortly after the election.
The recent controversy erupted with the revelation that Oakland, Calif.-based Sequoia Voting Systems, which has supplied voting equipment in 17 U.S. states, was acquired last year by Smartmatic.
Voting Machines Used in 'Rigged' Chavez Election
The controversy swirling around Smartmatic Corp. – which supplies voting machines to many U.S. states – doesn’t begin with the recent reports that the company has links to Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez’s regime.
In fact, Chavez insisted on using machines supplied by Smartmatic – which is reportedly owned by Venezuelans – for his 2004 recall election.
And that election was so rigged in advance in favor of Chavez that the European Union (EU) refused to play an observer’s role, NewsMax reported at the time.
"Unfortunately, it has not been possible to secure with the Venezuelan electoral authorities the conditions to carry out an observation in line with the Union’s standard methodology,” according to a Wall Street Journal report shortly after the election.
The recent controversy erupted with the revelation that Oakland, Calif.-based Sequoia Voting Systems, which has supplied voting equipment in 17 U.S. states, was acquired last year by Smartmatic.
Lol did you just concede that you are not one of those "reasonable people"?
Seriously though, terms like good and evil are subjective.
No, seriously, I am not unreasonable.
I am not the one who believes in American exceptionalism. I labor under no delusions that America, or Americans are better than anyone else; exceptionally "good". I also labor under no delusions that Americans are excepetionally bad, as people who are anti-American do.
America has done nothing different with its power than has been done before by other empires. And still today, no other countries use their power as soley or even mostly, forces for good. This is why genocides continue to take place. Many countries could stop them, by themselves. But they do not act either. Nor do I see this world as being a pleasant place were China to be the sole super-power.
The strangest thing about Americans is that, it's not enough to know that you are not more "bad" than anyone else; you must be better than everyone else. There must be something exceptionally good about you. There isn't.
Epicurus
Reasonable
We're a country like every other country. Our wealth and power does not confer any special status unto us anymore than it requires us to be the world's policeman, though there are supporters of both of those ridiculous concepts.
We make progress and mistakes like anyone else.
We make progress and mistakes like anyone else.
Warren, it doesn't matter what the right wing American press tells you.
The election was monitored by SEVEN HUNDRED DIFFERENT AGENCIES. It was pronounced fair, free and transparent.
Nothing will change that, no matter how many "newsmax" articles you find.
It was a fairer election than our own. FACT. Simple fact. You ca n't change that. Newsmax can't change that.
The people voted for him in heavily monitored, free, fair and transparent elections. They spoke.
Battleborne
Terminator
So in essence.............
I must go for the night this was the end of the end for tonight...thanks!
I must go for the night this was the end of the end for tonight...thanks!
You might not like Darla's choice of the word evil. Doesn't matter. That's just semantics.
Ron Paul says much the same thing as Darla, albeit not with the words evil. He is on record saying that US foreign policy causes blowback against us - why? Because we muck around in other people's affairs, bomb them, and other throw governments. Let's be honest. Ron Paul's views are fundamentally the same as Darla's. The fact that you got all twisted up in focusing on the word "evil", does not diminish this fact.
Do you know what reading list Ron Paul suggested Rudy Guilliani get, if he wants to understand foreign policy? One of his recomendations was that book "Blowback". Which was an excellent esssay on how the american government's foreign policy has all too often fostered torture, dictators, and human rights abuses. There's plenty of good in the world that american citizens have done. But, lets be honest: many of the actions of the american government have not been helpful. Many of them, have been downright immoral and unethical.
Lets fact it: there are plenty or reagan republicans who hide behind the Libertarian label. But, they are republicans at heart. Ron Paul and Darla are absolutely fundamentally correct, in suggesting that our government's foreign policy has brought blowback onto us, and is deeply unethical in many ways.