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Perry Phimosis said:
Correct. Most of those that are not particularly "controversial" (ie largely misunderstood by the scientific illiterates on the board) it won't get much traction, though.

I like to see the depth of scientific ignorance of many of our posters here on JPP. It is an inspiration to push for actual scientific education improvement in the US.
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You can search until the cows come home, but you would be hard pressed to find MAGAs starting threads about astronomy, biochemistry, physics, genetics.

When one's mind is consumed with toxic grievances about all the blacks, Jews, and feminazis who supposedly screwed your life over, there is not much mental energy or motivation left for physics, maths, and chemistry.

That's why the U.S. scientific community is increasingly going to be stocked and replenished by liberals, Jews, and immigrants. I would be very surprised if more than a small minority of CERN or LLNL researchers are MAGAs.
 
AssHatZombie said:
what do scientists say is the human carrying capacity of the planet?
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It depends upon energy and food/water supplies.

Theoretically, the population density of cities can be spread out across the planet, including underground and under the sea.

Using a moderate 20,000 people per KM X Earth's 510M sq KM surface area = 10,200,000,000,000 people. The problem isn't making people but how to feed them. Notice that when Bush signed the biofuel legislation and the US began burning its corn for fuel, people in other nations began starving more than before. Currently, the human population is limited by resources.

https://www.universetoday.com/25756/surface-area-of-the-earth/
And in the era of modern astronomy, improvements in instrumentation, methodology, and the ability to see Earth from space have certainly helped. According to modern estimates, the surface area of the Earth is approximately 510 million square km (5.1 x 108 km2) or 196,900,000 square miles. Determining this was not only a matter of ascertaining Earth’s dimensions, but also its proper shape.
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Cypress said:
Genuine interest in science and the maths is limited to about six people here, unless there is a partisan political angle to be exploited, aka evolution and climate science.

On a tangent, I got the impression William Jefferson Clinton and Jimmy Carter were our most scientifically literate presidents.
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Dutch Uncle said:
It depends upon energy and food/water supplies.

Theoretically, the population density of cities can be spread out across the planet, including underground and under the sea.

Using a moderate 20,000 people per KM X Earth's 510M sq KM surface area = 10,200,000,000,000 people. The problem isn't making people but how to feed them. Notice that when Bush signed the biofuel legislation and the US began burning its corn for fuel, people in other nations began starving more than before. Currently, the human population is limited by resources.

https://www.universetoday.com/25756/surface-area-of-the-earth/

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food is a renewable resource.

the only real problem is murderous psychotics feeling entitle to kill everybody.

THE WORLD ECONOIC FORUM, the military industrial complex and big pharma.
 
AssHatZombie said:
the only real problem is murderous psychotics feeling entitle to kill everybody.
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Like the WSEs attacking the Capitol? I agree.

Better mental healthcare would be necessary. Including screening fetuses for genetic diseases, both physical and mental, and correcting the problem or terminating the fetus.

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Anti-co2 is an insane plan to harm earths overall ecology.

co2 is crucial for all plant life.

it's not a pollutant.

anti co2 policy is an attack on the backbone of earth's ecosystem, our plants.

environmentalism as a banker produced totalitarian mass death scenario is insane.

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serendipity said:
This is what Perry Thrombosis had to say!

Carter was DEFINITELY among the top. He was a trained nuclear operator as I understood it.
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He was trained as a Nuclear operator.
He didn't complete the training because his father died and he resigned his commission.
 
serendipity said:
The article says he was one of the few that could do the work, which implies he was pretty high in the pecking order not just a mere operator. I am just confused to be honest.
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In my opinion, (I have a friend who's long diseased father worked at the Atomic Energy Commision) was an Atomic Engineer.
He was a trained engineer, an operator is lower in my opinion.

I suppose there is semantics at the root of this discussion.
 
Rune said:
It is a treatise on mining ore, smelting ore into metal and refining the metal.
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Yeah a geology textbook. An early one, granted, but your point isn't really particularly real since geology as a field didn't exist at the time Agricola wrote it.

There is geology involved in mining obviously, but it isn't a book about geology, as illustrated by the title.
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Hate to break it to you but among those of us who actually got our degrees in geology it is considered an early geologic text.
 
Dip Shit said:
Yeah a geology textbook. An early one, granted, but your point isn't really particularly real since geology as a field didn't exist at the time Agricola wrote it.



Hate to break it to you but among those of us who actually got our degrees in geology it is considered an early geologic text.
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Hate to break it to you but those of us who got our degrees in metallurgy consider it an early metalworking book.

early 15c., "of metal, made from metal," from Latin metallicus "of or belonging to metal," from Greek metallikos, from metallon "metal, ore" (see metal). Specific use in chemistry, indicating the condition of a metal in which it exists by itself, not mineralized or combined with substances which convert it into an ore, is by 1797.

metallica etymology - Search (bing.com)
 
Rune said:
It is a treatise on mining ore, smelting ore into metal and refining the metal.

It is a metalworking book.
There is geology involved in mining obviously, but it isn't a book about geology, as illustrated by the title.
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Perry Phimosis said:
Yeah a geology textbook. An early one, granted, but your point isn't really particularly real since geology as a field didn't exist at the time Agricola wrote it.

Hate to break it to you but among those of us who actually got our degrees in geology it is considered an early geologic text.
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I love watching Purists argue since they are often both right and wrong at the same time. LOL

Britannica lists Agricola as "the father of mineralogy" and among the first to "found a natural science based on observation". It is from such humble beginnings that many specialized areas of study branched, such as metallurgy and geology.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Georgius-Agricola
German scholar and scientist known as “the father of mineralogy.” While a highly educated classicist and humanist, well regarded by scholars of his own and later times, he was yet singularly independent of the theories of ancient authorities. He was indeed among the first to found a natural science upon observation, as opposed to speculation. His De re metallica dealt chiefly with the arts of mining and smelting, and his De natura fossilium, considered the first mineralogy textbook, presented the first scientific classification of minerals (based on their physical properties) and described many new minerals and their occurrence and mutual relationships.
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Dutch Uncle said:
I love watching Purists argue since they are often both right and wrong at the same time. LOL
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It isn't a "purist" position for me. It is both things. Most people think mining is somehow different from geology because we teach them in different buildings on the campus. But they are integral to each other.

It is a sign that the other poster has no actual training in either topic that they would demand a hard-line differentiation from a time before either field existed.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
I love watching Purists argue since they are often both right and wrong at the same time. LOL

Britannica lists Agricola as "the father of mineralogy" and among the first to "found a natural science based on observation". It is from such humble beginnings that many specialized areas of study branched, such as metallurgy and geology.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Georgius-Agricola
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I read last week that a reason military technology and capability exploded in the iron age is because iron minerals are so widespread and readily available, whereas the tin needed for bronze weapons is relatively rare and hard to obtain.

In the realm of science competition, my favorite story is about the one time geologists outperformed physicists -- in the debate over the age of the Earth. Physicists thought the Earth was only a few million years old based on measurements of heat dissipation. Geologists thought the Earth was way older, possibly hundreds of millions of years, because of observations of erosion and deposition.
 
Perry Phimosis said:
It isn't a "purist" position for me. It is both things. Most people think mining is somehow different from geology because we teach them in different buildings on the campus. But they are integral to each other.

It is a sign that the other poster has no actual training in either topic that they would demand a hard-line differentiation from a time before either field existed.
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Hence my point. You both are playing semantic games about how to categorize your individual specialties.
 
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