Yes, so far it has been. You ask him to post "figure 3" as if it was going to prove him wrong. It didn't. What exactly are you asserting anymore?
The Tea Party Did the Right Thing
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Uh, your timeline is fucked. The TEA Party idiots only showed up after the Republican candidate lost the election.
And look, I understand that you want to pretend that it isn't a Republican phenomenon but at least try to retain a shred of honesty.
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it boggles the mind huh....
Nah, they formed during the election year and began protests on Tax day. If you look back you can even see stories about them, usually mentioning Glenn Beck talking about their first protest on the next Tax Day. The reality is the TEA Party movement began as the election year was going on, it was TARP that really got it going. It broke the camel's back so to speak. These people do not trust either party to cut that spending, but believe that they can support candidates that will. In that event many caucuses were pretty much taken over in CO, Assemblies were stacked with TEA Party activists. Odd candidates suddenly were "on the ballot" that the party itself is saying "can never win" yet the polls show that they just may.
I remember all the people talking about how "pitiful" it was that they only got a million or so across the nation and me telling them that it was just a beginning.
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where are the jpp cup judges to declare onceler and nigel sore losers 
nearly a trillion dollars more at the end...but somehow dear ol' yurt is wrong that bush spent more at the end and that the deficit grew at a dramatic rate....thus, causing people to finally have it with government spending....
onceler and nigel would have us believe it was a smooth uptick, not much change over the course of bush's presidency, well.....unfortunately for them, the facts say they are dead wrong
That's more clear chart regarding your claims. Clearly, the "bulk" does not come at the end.
Thanks for posting.
I understand why you have to mischaracterize what we're saying now.
Pretty big egg on the face. Bush spent like a madman for 8 years, and signed off enthusiastically on pretty much every major spending bill. The idea that the TEA folks were pretty quiet because spending "really" didn't come until the end is pure apologism.
Good on you for admitting that.
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Not sure what you are seeing on the chart, but you are incorrect. Take a look at it again... deficits were decreasing from 2004-2007 as the economy grew stronger. Then as the economy started to implode the deficit jumped drastically in 2008 and then exploded upwards in 2009. (do note who took over Congress in 2007 and thus had a large hand in the budget and spending of 2008/2009).
The Tea Party formed due in large part to people being pissed at the $800 BILLION TARP being passed, along with the auto bailouts, and then on top of it another $900 Billion stimulus bill. The tea party then started ramping up further with the talks of the health care debacle coming down the pipe with a price tag of another TRILLION.
While I agree part of this movement is due to which party is in office, I also think it is naive to point and pretend that it is the main reason. If it was just the Republicans, you might have a point.... but independents and even some moderate Dems are also pissed at the insanity coming from DC.
And when both major candidates supported it, they felt there was no recourse but to take to the streets. I agreed with them then. I do think they should avoid letting it become an arm of the Republican Party, too many republicans are willing to forgo some of the most important tenets of fiscal conservatism in order to get "bipartisanship" ratings.
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you're pathological....you ignore graph 2 which deals in percentages of federal budget growth and accept this graph which shows a TRILLION dollar increase in the last year and this somehow proves i'm wrong....
lmao...i knew you couldn't admit you are wrong, its just to honest a thing for you to do
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SF...he never admits he is wrong...a TRILLION dollar jump in spending and a huge jump in the deficit is not "bulk" to him...it is a smooth progression of all the other budgets during bush's term...
he is a pathological liar
I don't think liberals believe people are really independents. they live in world of black and white where there are no shades of gray and everyone is either with them of siding with the dumbest backstabbing republicans. Both parties suck. That's why we need a new party. every last person here has argued this point in the past.
Tea party is an attempt do this.
This means it's going to attract anarchist types, which often include xenophobes and some racists.
No independent movement can avoid this in the early stages of formation.
It's like asking a galaxy to have planets whiles it's still a dust cloud
The racists will be purged..
The NAACP did do one thing right. They got the tea party to expell the racists and that will help the tea party in the future.
The tea party needn't ask the NAACP to do likewise. Let them cut their own throat and choke on their own racists in their party.
Tea party is an attempt do this.
This means it's going to attract anarchist types, which often include xenophobes and some racists.
No independent movement can avoid this in the early stages of formation.
It's like asking a galaxy to have planets whiles it's still a dust cloud
The racists will be purged..
The NAACP did do one thing right. They got the tea party to expell the racists and that will help the tea party in the future.
The tea party needn't ask the NAACP to do likewise. Let them cut their own throat and choke on their own racists in their party.
The fact of the matter is the TEA Party is not a single entity , but many. That is why it is a farse to ask them to denounce the racists within...their is no membership! It is a loosley defined group of individuals from all walks of life. It is mostly white, but then again conservative and independent voters are mostly white. Mark Wiliams is no more culpable for his bigoted speech than any actual member of the NAACP is for their's...maybe even less so as there is no national membership with the TEA Party as there is for the NAACP.
The movement, if defined at all, is defined by the conservative tenet of "limited government"! To make this component a racist one is specious and proves that racial divides at this juncture in our political lanscape are manufactured by the groups that benefit from doing so!
It has already been shown these past two weeks that racism in and of itself is not so much an institutional problem any longer (except for the KKK and New Black Panthers), but an individual one. Individuals like it or not have the freedom to think and speak whatever they feel...if the TEA party must police its individual elements so must the NAACP et al. This is why I can say that the NAACP and those who support there calling out the TEA Party are in fact hypocrites!
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and the majority occurred in the last two years 2008/2009... or are you seeing something else in the chart that I am missing?
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then how would you characterize it? i send spending increased greatly at the end, with the bulk at the end.....you say that is not the case....
and you further claimed spending didn't really come at the end....that is essentially you saying he spent virtually the same the entire time with an ever increasing "smooth progression" of rising spending....that however, is wholly untrue
a TRILLION dollar jump is huge, the percentage chart shows just how big the federal budget was for 2009, yet you refuse to accept the truth because you're incapable of being honest and saying you're wrong
pity for you, but you really look like a fool on this one
Are you insane?
Freak, you know the #'s. You're one of the few on the board who spoke up about Bush's spending throughout his tenure (and no - not just his last year or 2).
The guy outspent everyone to that point. Do you agree with a characterization that the TEA party didn't really say anything about his spending, simply because he wasn't really a spender until the end?
C'mon...
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lol...to most people...are you blind as well as dumb? more people on this thread believe you're wrong than believe you're right....but go ahead and delude yourself that a 25% increase in federal spending and an over 200% increase in deficit is not big deal and not any different than any other budget year under bush....
2008 and 2009 equal spprox 33% of bush's total budget spending....2 out of 8 years equal 33% of his total spending...but somehow dear ol' yurt is wrong...