The US is not a Democracy, it's a Constitutional Republic

Nordberg said:
They are fighting the term democracy so Americans will figure "so what" when Trump wrecks it.
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Like most MAGAts when cornered, they are playing word games. Even Ronald Reagan, who would be considered a RINO by MAGAts, called America and "democracy" even though we are a Federal Constitutional Republic.

Major Speeches, 1964-1989

Ronald
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Countries across the globe are turning to free markets and free speech and turning away from the ideologies of the past. For them, the great rediscovery of the 1980's has been that, lo and behold, the moral way of government is the practical way of government: Democracy, the profoundly good, is also the profoundly productive....

...Ours was the first revolution in the history of mankind that truly reversed the course of government, and with three little words: ``We the People.'' ``We the People'' tell the government what to do; it doesn't tell us. ``We the People'' are the driver; the government is the car. And we decide where it should go, and by what route, and how fast. Almost all the world's constitutions are documents in which governments tell the people what their privileges are. Our Constitution is a document in which ``We the People'' tell the government what it is allowed to do. ``We the People'' are free....

...I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, wind-swept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.

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What Type of Government Does the US Have?

The type of government of the US is often described in different ways due to the fact that it has a constitution, is a democracy, and is a republic.
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Is the U.S. a Democracy or a Republic? Find Out! - U.S. Constitution.net

Defining a Constitutional Republic The United States operates as a constitutional republic, a form of government that involves representatives elected by the people, who execute their duties under the constraints of a prevailing constitution that specifies the powers and limits of government...
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Nordberg said:
SOME of them did not. However the EC was not an attempt to keep us from a democracy. They did that by picking who could vote. It was landed educated people. It was not women. Not blacks.
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wrong premise. it's been stated many times that the EC was one single portion of representation to present checks and balances against other entities/monopolies.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
you should know, better than most, that BOTH parties, left and right, play word games with political ideology. look at gun control if you need some proof
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Agreed. I've been saying that for years now. Not just gun control, but abortion, women's rights, gay rights, identity politics, the list goes on.
 
Nordberg said:
My Poli Sci classes did not say that. You are wrong, right wing wrong.
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Why is it wrong?

Sure, the EC was, like most of the Constitution, a compromise between 13 colonies trying to form one country with the theat being, at the time, the world's most powerful nation.

Want to change the EC? Go for it but I strongly doubt any Constitutional amendments can be passed in a highly tribalist nation like the current USA. Heck, MAGAts think wearing mask doesn't work but they believe walls do. LOL

Let's be honest: MAGAts aren't very bright nor rational but there's a lot of them. :)

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Dutch Uncle said:
Why is it wrong?

Sure, the EC was, like most of the Constitution, a compromise between 13 colonies trying to form one country with the theat being, at the time, the world's most powerful nation.

Want to change the EC? Go for it but I strongly doubt any Constitutional amendments can be passed in a highly tribalist nation like the current USA. Heck, MAGAts think wearing mask doesn't work but they believe walls do. LOL

Let's be honest: MAGAts aren't very bright nor rational but there's a lot of them. :)

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It will not happen now because it helps the Repubs, There were Repub politicians who tried to get rid of it in the past because it is so stupid and anachronistic. Now it is a Red boon. They will eat their principles to win .
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Like most MAGAts when cornered, they are playing word games. Even Ronald Reagan, who would be considered a RINO by MAGAts, called America and "democracy" even though we are a Federal Constitutional Republic.
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MAGA isn't a person, Sybil. Inversion fallacy. DON'T TRY TO BLAME YOUR PROBLEM ON ANYBODY ELSE!
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Why is it wrong?

Sure, the EC was, like most of the Constitution, a compromise between 13 colonies trying to form one country with the theat being, at the time, the world's most powerful nation.

Want to change the EC? Go for it but I strongly doubt any Constitutional amendments can be passed in a highly tribalist nation like the current USA. Heck, MAGAts think wearing mask doesn't work but they believe walls do. LOL

Let's be honest: MAGAts aren't very bright nor rational but there's a lot of them. :)

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DON'T TRY TO BLAME DEMOCRAT VIOLENCE ON TRUMP!
 
Nordberg said:
It will not happen now because it helps the Repubs, There were Repub politicians who tried to get rid of it in the past because it is so stupid and anachronistic. Now it is a Red boon. They will eat their principles to win .
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A popular vote helps the states with the largest populations and hurts those with lesser populations. California is #1, but Texas and Florida are #2 and #3, respectively. Careful what you ask for. LOL

  1. California (Population: 39,613,493)
  2. Texas (Population: 29,730,311)
  3. Florida (Population: 21,944,577)
  4. New York (Population: 19,299,981)
  5. Pennsylvania (Population: 13,092,796)
The US population was approximately 331 million by the end of 2020
 
Publius said:
Libhater posts a youtuber, wonderful, there are plenty of youtubers claiming America is a democracy and a republic, or republic and not a democracy, or neither, take your pick.

I'll go with Merriam-Webster AND Encyclopedia Britannica, and the Gov's own website, all of which state that America is both a Republic and a Representative democracy.


The United States is a representative democracy.​

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Representative democracy | Definition, History, Discussion, & Facts | Britannica

A representative democracy is a political system in which citizens of a country or other political entity vote for representatives to handle legislation and otherwise rule that entity on their behalf. The elected representatives are in turn accountable to the electorate for their actions. As a...
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The United States and France are republics that have played an important role in the adoption and spread of representative democracy.​

Democracy or Republic: What's the difference?

A case can be made for either
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The short answer is that democracy and republic are frequently used to mean the same thing​

A democracy is most often a type of republic that elects it's leaders, either directly or indirectly, and the terms are not mutually exclusive.
A republic can be a nation of either elected or appointed leaders, as opposed to monarchy where leadership is inherited, so republic is the broader term and 'representative democracy' qualifies it even further. America is both a representative democracy and a constitutional republic.

So says Merriam-Webster
So says Encyclopedia Britannica
So says the US Government

So says both Repubs and Dems and Scholars in academia going back hundreds of years, and only recently have
Republicans been declaring that America is not a democracy, which they can't stand since they are enacting voter supression
legislation (which disproportionately effects urban neighborhoods) and they have won the popular vote twice in over 30 years.

A more robust explanation in this thread:

Publius

Thread 'Why Republicans in recent years are now claiming America is not a Democracy'

Clearly, Republicans can't stand democracy. This is why they are going around making the bogus argument that 'America is not a democracy'.

Because they need to feel good about having only won the popular vote only twice in over 30 years, and they need to feel good about
their voter suppression laws which they have enacted in a number of red states. If someone on the left points this out to them, they will say, 'Well, America is not q democracy, anyway' and shrug their shoulders.

And they harangue the left about 'propaganda', but this 'America is not a Democracy' meme is pure propaganda...
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You must have a much higher opinion of Libhater's IQ than I do, if you expect him to both read and to understand all of this. There's a reason why certain people, including him, use YT, Twitter, and memes as their sources. :laugh:
 
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