The West is racing towards WW3

Kamala Trump said:
do you agree that "defeating Russia" is not a reasonable exit strategy?
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You understand that the Ukrainians do not have, nor want an exit strategy? This is their home; they do not want to exit their own homes. Exit strategies are for countries in other countries. We needed an exit strategy for Iraq, because it is not our country. We do not want an exit strategy for the USA.

When we look at that, some level of defeat is the only way to get Putin to accept an exit strategy. If Putin is feeling no pain, why would he stop attacking Ukraine?
 
Walt said:
You understand that the Ukrainians do not have, nor want an exit strategy? This is their home; they do not want to exit their own homes. Exit strategies are for countries in other countries. We needed an exit strategy for Iraq, because it is not our country. We do not want an exit strategy for the USA.

When we look at that, some level of defeat is the only way to get Putin to accept an exit strategy. If Putin is feeling no pain, why would he stop attacking Ukraine?
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Your problem is that you think of Ukraine as a united country. The truth is it's had divisions for a long time, but ever since the U.S. helped instigate the 2014 Euromaidan coup, those divisions became severe enough to start a civil war. Even after that, though, western Ukraine could have just let eastern Ukraine be more independent. But no, it wanted to bring it to heal, and never mind that all those Russian speakers and ethnic Russians were sitting right next to Russia, who was not exactly pleased at the Ukrainian army slaughtering of said Ukrainians.

Putin actually had a lot of patience, considering. 8 years trying to negotiate a lasting peace treaty. But as the Ukrainian leadership and later former German Chancellor Angela Merkel said, they were just buying time to build up their army to once again try retaking eastern Ukraine by force. Something they did indeed start trying to do mere days before Putin started his military operation in Ukraine. As a matter of fact, the Donbass Republics specifically -requested- Putin to help them out.

Even at -that- point, Russia was prepared to head back to its country so long as Ukraine finally agreed to some concessions that were quite reasonable. Let the Donbass Republics basically be independent of Ukraine, an agreement not to join NATO and ofcourse stop bombarding Eastern Ukraine. There were other terms, but those were the fundamental ones. Ukraine -almost- agreed, but in swoops Boris Johnson, the UK Prime Minister at the time, to tell Zelensky not to take the deal.

Now, things are different. Russia's lost a fair amount of Russian lives in this war, they've held referendums in 4 Ukrainian regions where they claim that all the regions voted to join Russia. I think it -very- unlikely that Ukraine will ever control most if not all of the land it's lost again. Even now, however, things can still get worse. Russia continues to gain territory day by day. The longer Ukraine waits to get back to the negotiating table, the more territory Russia's likely to take.
 
Scott said:
Your problem is that you think of Ukraine as a united country. The truth is it's had divisions for a long time, but ever since the U.S. helped instigate the 2014 Euromaidan coup, those divisions became severe enough to start a civil war. Even after that, though, western Ukraine could have just let eastern Ukraine be more independent. But no, it wanted to bring it to heal, and never mind that all those Russian speakers and ethnic Russians were sitting right next to Russia, who was not exactly pleased at the Ukrainian army slaughtering of said Ukrainians.

Putin actually had a lot of patience, considering. 8 years trying to negotiate a lasting peace treaty. But as the Ukrainian leadership and later former German Chancellor Angela Merkel said, they were just buying time to build up their army to once again try retaking eastern Ukraine by force. Something they did indeed start trying to do mere days before Putin started his military operation in Ukraine. As a matter of fact, the Donbass Republics specifically -requested- Putin to help them out.

Even at -that- point, Russia was prepared to head back to its country so long as Ukraine finally agreed to some concessions that were quite reasonable. Let the Donbass Republics basically be independent of Ukraine, an agreement not to join NATO and ofcourse stop bombarding Eastern Ukraine. There were other terms, but those were the fundamental ones. Ukraine -almost- agreed, but in swoops Boris Johnson, the UK Prime Minister at the time, to tell Zelensky not to take the deal.

Now, things are different. Russia's lost a fair amount of Russian lives in this war, they've held referendums in 4 Ukrainian regions where they claim that all the regions voted to join Russia. I think it -very- unlikely that Ukraine will ever control most if not all of the land it's lost again. Even now, however, things can still get worse. Russia continues to gain territory day by day. The longer Ukraine waits to get back to the negotiating table, the more territory Russia's likely to take.
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This was never about the Russians wanting Ukraine back, this was about the Russian speakers in Ukraine being abused and the use of Ukraine by the American Empire for aggression against Russia.

Also since we are told that we are fighting for democracy in supporting Ukraine let me mention that at no point did the majority of the Ukrainian people ever want to join NATO...but after the CIA run 2014 removal of the elected leader Ukraine has been defacto NATO....and was militarized at European and American expense, in preparation for future operations against the Russian speaking areas and Russia.
 
Scott said:
Your problem is that you think of Ukraine as a united country. The truth is it's had divisions for a long time, but ever since the U.S. helped instigate the 2014 Euromaidan coup, those divisions became severe enough to start a civil war. Even after that, though, western Ukraine could have just let eastern Ukraine be more independent. But no, it wanted to bring it to heal, and never mind that all those Russian speakers and ethnic Russians were sitting right next to Russia, who was not exactly pleased at the Ukrainian army slaughtering of said Ukrainians.

Putin actually had a lot of patience, considering. 8 years trying to negotiate a lasting peace treaty. But as the Ukrainian leadership and later former German Chancellor Angela Merkel said, they were just buying time to build up their army to once again try retaking eastern Ukraine by force. Something they did indeed start trying to do mere days before Putin started his military operation in Ukraine. As a matter of fact, the Donbass Republics specifically -requested- Putin to help them out.

Even at -that- point, Russia was prepared to head back to its country so long as Ukraine finally agreed to some concessions that were quite reasonable. Let the Donbass Republics basically be independent of Ukraine, an agreement not to join NATO and ofcourse stop bombarding Eastern Ukraine. There were other terms, but those were the fundamental ones. Ukraine -almost- agreed, but in swoops Boris Johnson, the UK Prime Minister at the time, to tell Zelensky not to take the deal.

Now, things are different. Russia's lost a fair amount of Russian lives in this war, they've held referendums in 4 Ukrainian regions where they claim that all the regions voted to join Russia. I think it -very- unlikely that Ukraine will ever control most if not all of the land it's lost again. Even now, however, things can still get worse. Russia continues to gain territory day by day. The longer Ukraine waits to get back to the negotiating table, the more territory Russia's likely to take.
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As proven by what the Russians agreed to at Istanbul.
 
"Make your last moment looking up and relaxing, because you are going to die"
"The living will envy the dead"
Scott Ritter
 
Walt said:
You understand that the Ukrainians do not have, nor want an exit strategy? This is their home; they do not want to exit their own homes. Exit strategies are for countries in other countries. We needed an exit strategy for Iraq, because it is not our country. We do not want an exit strategy for the USA.

When we look at that, some level of defeat is the only way to get Putin to accept an exit strategy. If Putin is feeling no pain, why would he stop attacking Ukraine?
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you're fucking retarded.

this is why you're losing.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Well I am more "lets not do this happen till after I am dead"....but that plan is not doing very well.
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the sky ain't falling chicken little.

the end of days is just a BIG CHURCH and BIG BEAN cosponsored sales event of the year.

SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY.
 
lol at these ridiculous hysterical ravings about 'WW 3 N Stuff!!!'. A country with a GDP less than that of Texas and can't even drive out an enemy less than 25% of its size isn't going to be able to start a world war, much less sustain an economy at all. Time to finish off Putin and sell the place to a theme park developer. McCain was right when he said Russia wad just a gas station pretending to be a super power. The BRICS fantasies are even more hilarious.
 
EdwinA said:
lol at these ridiculous hysterical ravings about 'WW 3 N Stuff!!!'. A country with a GDP less than that of Texas and can't even drive out an enemy less than 25% of its size isn't going to be able to start a world war, much less sustain an economy at all. Time to finish off Putin and sell the place to a theme park developer. McCain was right when he said Russia wad just a gas station pretending to be a super power. The BRICS fantasies are even more hilarious.
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hmmm.

sounds deranged.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1766448028427182382
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In some respects this may be true. We seem to be playing out most of the 1930's all over again with the rise of intense nationalism and proto-fascist type leanings of many world leaders and world leader wannabes. Everyone is drawing inward and hating outward with more vehemence.

Unfortunately we have on our shores a large number of people who want us to play a different role in this version of the last round. I think we are really wanting to be the baddies this time 'round.

 
Now that we are gearing up to walk away from the Debacle in Ukraine it looks like the Zionist Bastards drive for WW3 is our biggest problem.
 
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