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[gfm7175]

It came from Fox News. Stop watching propaganda.

What is it with liberals assuming that conservatives love Fox News and regularly watch Fox News?? I never watch Fox News and even strongly dislike the organization (although I've seen some clips of Tucker Carlson and he tends to have fairly good takes on a number of issues).

What is it with liberals assuming that people must "get their viewpoints from somewhere"? It seems that such liberals deny philosophy.

 

[gfm7175]

Trolling.

Trolling.

 

[AProudLefty]

What is it with liberals assuming that conservatives love Fox News and regularly watch Fox News?? I never watch Fox News and even strongly dislike the organization (although I've seen some clips of Tucker Carlson and he tends to have fairly good takes on a number of issues).

What is it with liberals assuming that people must "get their viewpoints from somewhere"? It seems that such liberals deny philosophy.

Are you saying that some people are born with that philosophy?

 

[gfm7175]

And there are even less medically impactful variations on the usual XY/XX variations. People with XYY chromosomes can pass their whole lives as just XY, with nobody noting anything unusual about them. Statistically, they'll likely to be a bit taller than average and more prone to acne and some learning delays, but that's it.... and it's about 1 out of every 2,000 births.

Still only X's and Y's, eh? As required per Rule 2b of my OP, you must provide me with a THIRD letter of some sort in order to show me that gender is not a binary system. Otherwise, the only sensible conclusion is that gender is a binary system, as that is what a system consisting of only X's and Y's is, by definition.

One thing I find interesting about right-wingers is the way they pair utter ignorance of basic science with total confidence in making scientific claims.

Projection.

For example, you were completely ignorant of the kind of information about genetics that anyone with a decent high school education should know (like I distinctly remember discussing XYY syndrome as part of 10th-grade Biology class). And yet here you are confidently staking out positions contrary to what most people with a good education believe, without having done even the most basic reading about the topic. That mindset is foreign to me. Like if I were engaging in a discussion in an area where I lacked even a basic high-school-level education, I would tread pretty lightly, because I would be worried my conclusions had been drawn from a position of ignorance. But that self awareness and humility is just something one doesn't see on the right.

Projection and off-topic ramblings.

Define the term "non-binary person".
Identify and describe a sex ("gender") other than male or female.
Identify and describe a sex chromosome other than X or Y.

A system consisting of ONLY male and female as the two options is a binary system, by definition.

A system consisting of ONLY X and Y as the two options is a binary system, by definition.

Thus, the term "non-binary person" is another nonsensical libtard buzzword, as all people are the result of a BINARY system.

 

[Mina]

Still only X's and Y's, eh? As required per Rule 2b of my OP, you must provide me with a THIRD letter of some sort in order to show me that gender is not a binary system. Otherwise, the only sensible conclusion is that gender is a binary system, as that is what a system consisting of only X's and Y's is, by definition.

If you define binary as anything that uses a base-two system, then it's binary for practical purposes. But, again, base-two systems allow for infinite variation, so it's not an argument for SEX being binary. That would be a bit like arguing there are only four types of humans since DNA is encoded with only four nucleic acids. We are all encoded with G's, C's, A's, and T's, and nothing else, but that doesn't mean people are one of the four.

Projection.


Projection and off-topic ramblings.

Trolling.

Define the term "non-binary person".

Sure. A person who identifies neither as a male nor a female.

Identify and describe a sex ("gender")

Sex and gender are different things. Your question compounds them.

A system consisting of ONLY male and female as the two options is a binary system, by definition.

But this system consists of more than just male or female. Again, it would be like saying that since there are only ten digits in the Arabic number system, that there are only ten numbers, when in fact there are infinite numbers, depending on how you combine those ten digits. There is, for example, 11. It isn't a 0, 1, 2, 3.... 9. It is its own thing, even if it's encoded using two 1's. Similarly, an XXY isn't an X or a Y, even if it's encoded using those building blocks.

 

[gfm7175]

Webster's defines gender as "the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex." By comparison, sex is "either of two divisions into which many living things can be divided according to their roles in reproduction and which consist of males and females." As you can see, they're not synonymous. One is about a biological role in reproduction, whereas the other is about cultural and behavioral traits.

Webster's is wrong, and you continue to deny the etymology of the word.

I'm using the dictionary definition.

There is more than one dictionary, dude. Ergo, there is no such thing as "the dictionary definition".

Which definition are you using?

I've already told you.

Well, I suppose you could call it "binary" in the way that a base-two number system is binary.

What other "way" of binary is there?

From the etymology that you deny, the word 'binary' comes from the Latin words 'binarius' (consisting of two) and 'bini' (two together).

A system consisting of only 0's and 1's (IOW, the base-2 number system) is a binary system.
A system consisting of only X's and Y's (IOW, the human sex chromosome system) is a binary system.
A system consisting of only male and female (IOW, the human sex ("gender") system) is a binary system.

However, in such a system, the combination of zeros and ones can produce an infinite number of variations.

Irrelevant. The system is binary, by definition, because it only makes use of 0's and 1's. That is the whole point, and what you are desperately flailing around in an attempt to deny.

Like 100100 is composed entirely of 1's and 0's, and yet is neither one nor zero.

Irrelevant. The system is binary, by definition, because it only makes use of 0's and 1's. That is the whole point, and what you are desperately flailing around in an attempt to deny.

It is, in fact, the number we'd write out as 36, using a base-ten system.

Irrelevant.

In the same way, XXY is composed of X's and Y's and yet is neither XX female nor XY male.

Irrelevant. The system is binary, by definition, because it only makes use of X's and Y's. That is the whole point, and what you are desperately flailing around in an attempt to deny.

Yet all of us are abnormal in various ways, and so abnormality is, in that sense, normal. Left-handers, for example, are abnormal. So are blondes. Or people who can fold their tongues. There's a lot of genetic variation in the human population.

Off topic ramblings.

But when it comes to sex chromosome variations (or sexuality, for that matter), it makes some people super uncomfortable.They'd love it if humans had just been divided neatly into an XY heterosexual male-identifying group, and an XX heterosexual female-identifying group. That's not the real world, though, and your feelings about it are irrelevant..

One's self delusions are irrelevant, and abnormalities are not normalities.

Male = XY chromosomes, specifically the presence of the SRY gene.
Female = XX chromosomes, specifically the absence of the SRY gene.

Is this an alt account for Into The Night? The two of you have remarkably similar posting patterns and thoughts.

......... anddddddddd here's the typical sock accusation... Obviously, you have nothing more of substance to offer at this point.

Define "non-binary person".
Identify and describe a sex other than male or female.
Identify and describe a sex chromosome other than X or Y.

 

[gfm7175]

Are you saying that some people are born with that philosophy?

 

[AProudLefty]

Yep. That's what I did when I read your OP.

 

[Into the Night]

Gfm did.

He didn't define any word either.

 

[Into the Night]

Correct. I have no idea why you think people disagree with you.

Because you did. You locked yourself in paradox doing it, too.

 

[Into the Night]

I have. Did you forget?

Lie. You never did.

 

[Into the Night]

"Gender life" has now been added to my list. 240 unique entries and climbing.

It is impressive how fast these idiots come up with new buzzwords and slogans.

 

[Into the Night]

It came from Fox News. Stop watching propaganda.

No, they didn't come from Fox News.

Random phrase. No argument presented.

 

[Jarod]

... a "gender non-binary person". Change my mind.


Here are the rules of this thread; the requirements in order to change my mind:

[1] You MUST clearly and unambiguously define the term "gender non-binary person" (or "genderqueer person") in a manner that doesn't violate logic and/or science. --- Any and all appeals to HOLY LINKS (e.g, to Wikipedia or to a random dictionary definition) are NOT ALLOWED and will be summarily dismissed on sight.

[2] You MUST clearly and unambiguously describe a "third option" of some sort. Meaning, you must identify and describe:

[2a] A sex other than male or female.
[2b] A sex chromosome other than X or Y.


The floor is yours!

Why do you care?

 

[BidenPresident]

Why do you care?

My question as well. Why do they obsess on this stuff?

 

[gfm7175]

If you define binary as anything that uses a base-two system,

I've already went through the etymology of the word for you.

then it's binary for practical purposes.

It is binary. Period.

But, again, base-two systems allow for infinite variation,

Irrelevant.

so it's not an argument for SEX being binary.

I'm not appealing to irrelevancies; you are. Sex is a binary system because it is "consisting of two" and "two together", namely 'male' and 'female'.

That would be a bit like arguing there are only four types of humans since DNA is encoded with only four nucleic acids. We are all encoded with G's, C's, A's, and T's, and nothing else, but that doesn't mean people are one of the four.

Nope. Here, you are describing a system consisting of four letters (G, C, A, and T) and mistakenly trying to act as if a part of what makes up a person is a person as a whole. Any imaginable way of combining those four letters together, at any imaginable length, is completely irrelevant with regard to the fact that it is a four letter system. Also, the "imaginable possibilities" of combining those four letters together doesn't mean that those four letters can be, let alone observed to be, combined in any such manner in actuality.

Trolling.

Trolling.

Sure. A person who identifies neither as a male nor a female.

So 'gender' is a psychological disorder of some sort?

Sex and gender are different things. Your question compounds them.

They are synonymous terms. You deny this because you deny etymology.

But this system consists of more than just male or female.

Does it now?? As I've been asking you to do since my OP, simply identify and describe a sex other than male or female... simply provide this supposed "more than just male or female" of which you speak...

Again, it would be like saying that since there are only ten digits in the Arabic number system,

Again, you remain stupefied by what is being claimed, as well as etymology and the English language in general.

I have already informed you of the etymology of the word 'binary' ("consisting of two", "two together"), even though you deny etymology ... The base-2 numerical system (aka "binary system") consists of two digits (0 and 1), and those two digits together are the basis of the system.

The base-10 numerical system, just as with the base-2 numerical system only consisting of two digits, only consists of ten digits (0-9). This system consists of ten digits, and those ten digits together are the basis of the system. However, sex ("gender") and sex chromosomes are not numbers.

Sex is binary and only consists of male and female. Male is defined by the presence of a Y sex chromosome (more specifically, the presence of the SRY gene). Female is defined by the absence of a Y sex chromosome (more specifically, the absence of the SRY gene).

In this particular system, proper copying of the two letters is as follows:
X+X=XX=Female
X+Y=XY=Male

Any other "possibilities" that you can dream up within this binary system (XXY, XXX, XXXX, XXXXXXY etc), IF those "possibilities" are even able to actually occur, or have even ever been observed, would be the result of some sort of "copying error" (IOW, an abnormality), as those results are NOT the XX or XY results that they should have been if they were copied correctly (IOW, what is normal).

Abnormalities are not normalities.

that there are only ten numbers,

Nice attempt at the old "switch-a-roo"... Too bad I caught it.

The base-10 (decimal) system is based on digits, not numbers. There are only ten digits in this system, as follows: (0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9)

when in fact there are infinite numbers, depending on how you combine those ten digits.

Irrelevant. There are 10 digits, and it is the existence of those 10 digits that the definition of that system is based upon.

There is, for example, 11. It isn't a 0, 1, 2, 3.... 9. It is its own thing, even if it's encoded using two 1's. Similarly, an XXY isn't an X or a Y, even if it's encoded using those building blocks.

Irrelevant. It is still those 10 digits (0-9) that the system is based upon, same with the 2 letters that the sex chromosome system is based upon. The word for such a "consisting of two" "two together" system would be a 'binary' system. You would know this if you didn't deny etymology...

 

[Into the Night]

https://thefocusfoundation.org/x-y-... X & Y Variations include,XXYY, and 49, XXXXY.
https://genetic.org/variations/
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0306312718757081


https://www.accordalliance.org/faqs...xt=When a person has more,and 46,XX in others.
https://www.yalemedicine.org/conditions/mosaicism
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topic...nd-molecular-biology/sex-chromosome-mosaicism
https://www.nature.com/articles/s10... defined as,is a rare chromosomal abnormality.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3684380/

Cancer is not a gender.

Yes, a single person:
https://www.insider.com/what-is-a-human-chimera-and-how-does-it-happen-2017-11
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_(genetics)

Not a single person.

Yes, a single person.

Obviously, you think 1 = 2. You must've learned math in Oregon.

No, it doesn't always result in deformities. In fact, the person can be so outwardly normal that she only even realizes that she has the condition as a result of a DNA test (e.g., in this case, a test that showed that a woman's DNA didn't mark her as the mother of the children she bore, since the eggs that produced the children came from ovaries with different DNA than most of the mother's DNA, thanks to genetic chimerism -- effectively, the woman was her own twin thanks to the way the fetus formed from two separate fertilized eggs):

1 = 2.

https://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/shes-twin/story?id=2315693

And there are even less medically impactful variations on the usual XY/XX variations. People with XYY chromosomes can pass their whole lives as just XY, with nobody noting anything unusual about them. Statistically, they'll likely to be a bit taller than average and more prone to acne and some learning delays, but that's it.... and it's about 1 out of every 2,000 births.

1 = 2.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topic...ivity,and prescribes estrogens during puberty.
One thing I find interesting about right-wingers is the way they pair utter ignorance of basic science
with total confidence in making scientific claims.

No science here. 1 = 2.

For example, you were completely ignorant of the kind of information about genetics

Not talking about genetics. Pay attention.

that anyone with a decent high school education should know

This lame insult again? 1 = 2.

(like I distinctly remember discussing XYY syndrome as part of 10th-grade Biology class).

1 = 2.

And yet here you are confidently staking out positions contrary to what most people with a good education believe,

1 = 2.

without having done even the most basic reading about the topic.

1 = 2.

That mindset is foreign to me.

1 = 2.

Like if I were engaging in a discussion in an area where I lacked even a basic high-school-level education, I would tread pretty lightly, because I would be worried my conclusions had been drawn from a position of ignorance.

1 = 2.

But that self awareness and humility is just something one doesn't see on the right.

You are describing yourself again. Inversion fallacy.

 

[gfm7175]

It is impressive how fast these idiots come up with new buzzwords and slogans.

It truly is, and since that particular post, another five terms have been added to the list (now sitting at 245 unique entries).

I created and began to maintain this list as of 02/10/2021 because I thought it would be interesting to see just how much nonsensical BS liberals spout off on a regular basis. Unfortunately, it seems that they can come up with new buzzwords at a faster pace than I can document their usage of them. It goes to show just how serious of an issue this is.

 

[Mina]

[
Irrelevant. There are 10 digits, and it is the existence of those 10 digits that the definition of that system is based upon.

Entirely relevant, because it illustrates your category error. If you want to call the encoding system "binary," that's fine. In the same sense, in the computer you are using, "male" and "female" and "turnip" and "God," and "feces" are all recorded as a series of zeros and ones. But that doesn't mean there are only two things in that list. The computer can encode effectively infinite varieties of information using those on-off settings.

Similarly, the X and the Y are the two sex chromosomes in humans, but that doesn't mean there are only two sexual categories. There are X's and Y's and XY and XX and XXY and XYY and so on. You can call those "copying errors," but everything about us could be described that way. For example, the Y chromosome is widely believed to be the result of a copying error from a set of genes that used to be identical, somewhere between 166 and 300 million years ago. Copying errors are a fundamental feature of evolution.

 

[Mina]

Cancer is not a gender.

Not a single person.

Obviously, you think 1 = 2. You must've learned math in Oregon.

1 = 2.

1 = 2.

No science here. 1 = 2.

Not talking about genetics. Pay attention.

This lame insult again? 1 = 2.

1 = 2.

1 = 2.

1 = 2.

1 = 2.

1 = 2.


You are describing yourself again. Inversion fallacy.

Trolling. Step up your game.