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[AProudLefty]

You are now locked in paradox and being irrational again. You just can't stay on topic, can you?

Huh? I am on topic.

I have stated that there is no others than X and Y. Nobody disagrees with that.

 

[Into the Night]

First, you seem to be confusing sex and gender.

Sex is gender.

There are definitely sex chromosome arrangements other than XX and XY. There's XXX and X and XYY, and XXY, and many others.

Please document this.

And there are people who have different sex chromosomes in different cells.

Please document this.

Basically, multiple embryos can wind up fusing very early on and forming into a single person

Not a single person.

who has both XX and XY chromosomes, spread through the body (chimerism).

Not a single person. You are also talking about deformities.

That doesn't just happen with sex chromosomes, either-- it can happen with other genes, as well. When it hits genes impacting skin coloration, people can have odd color patterns in their skin:

Not necessarily the cause of skin discoloration. You are talking about deformities still.

https://www.livescience.com/61890-what-is-chimerism-fused-twin.html

Not a single person.

And chromosomes aren't the only thing determining biological sex.

They are.

For example, there are people who are XY yet appear outwardly to be normal women, because they have androgen insensitivity -- meaning their body never responded to the sex hormones that would have caused them to develop male anatomy.

Please document this.

So, even when we're just talking biological sex, it's not a simple binary matter.

It is.

What people talk about with gender is different from that, though.

Sex is about gender.

It's about which of society's two big gender classifications, men and women, a person more identifies with, if either.

Nope. It's about the plumbing and physical characteristics.

It's not about physiology,

Yes it is.

but rather about psychology.

No. A person is taught to not know what gender he/she is. Part of the evil being taught in our schools right now

Those who don't feel they identify clearly with either will be said to be non-binary.

Doesn't change physiology or the chromosomes.

It's a bit like being asked if you're an extravert or an introvert and feeling neither category really captures your individual situation quite right, and so you reject that binary divide.

False equivalence fallacy. Buzzword fallacies. Psychoquackery.

For some reason, that really distressing some people when it happens in the context of gender.

Doesn't change the gender or the chromosomes.


Try again.

 

[Into the Night]

No I do not agree. He is tying genders to chromosomes, making it impossible to discuss. It's a form of controlling the debate.

Yes. It's a form of controlling the debate. He was very upfront about stating that in the OP. Pay attention, dumbass.

 

[Into the Night]

Huh? I am on topic.

I have stated that there is no others than X and Y. Nobody disagrees with that.

Paradox. Irrational. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox.

 

[AProudLefty]

Yes. It's a form of controlling the debate. He was very upfront about stating that in the OP. Pay attention, dumbass.

So you admit he's controlling the debate?

 

[AProudLefty]

Paradox. Irrational. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox.

There is no paradox.

 

[gfm7175]

First, you seem to be confusing sex and gender.

You seem to be pretending that 'gender' is not a synonym of 'sex'. You seem to be attempting to redefine the word 'gender' into leftist gibberbabble.

It would do you some good to study etymology.

There are definitely sex chromosome arrangements other than XX and XY. There's XXX and X and XYY, and XXY, and many others.

As you will recall, my question in [2b] asks for a sex chromosome OTHER THAN X or Y, of which you have not provided here and seemingly cannot provide. Ergo, sex (or "gender", if you prefer) is still a BINARY system.

And there are people who have different sex chromosomes in different cells. Basically, multiple embryos can wind up fusing very early on and forming into a single person who has both XX and XY chromosomes, spread through the body (chimerism). That doesn't just happen with sex chromosomes, either-- it can happen with other genes, as well. When it hits genes impacting skin coloration, people can have odd color patterns in their skin:

https://www.livescience.com/61890-what-is-chimerism-fused-twin.html

All of this is completely irrelevant and does not provide a sex chromosome other than X or Y.

And chromosomes aren't the only thing determining biological sex. For example, there are people who are XY yet appear outwardly to be normal women, because they have androgen insensitivity -- meaning their body never responded to the sex hormones that would have caused them to develop male anatomy.

Abnormalities are not normalities. --- This theoretical person is still male (XY chromosomes, presence of SRY gene). The system is still binary.

So, even when we're just talking biological sex, it's not a simple binary matter.

Incorrect. It is a simple binary matter. Abnormalities are not normalities.

What people talk about with gender is different from that, though.

No, it is not, except for liberals who love to gibberbabble incoherently.

It's about which of society's two big gender classifications, men and women, a person more identifies with, if either.

Self delusion and/or feelings do not change biology or anatomy.

It's not about physiology, but rather about psychology. Those who don't feel they identify clearly with either will be said to be non-binary.

Self delusion and/or feelings do not change biology or anatomy.

It's a bit like being asked if you're an extravert or an introvert and feeling neither category really captures your individual situation quite right, and so you reject that binary divide. For some reason, that really distressing some people when it happens in the context of gender.

Feelings are irrelevant.

You have, like all the others, failed to respond in accordance to the rules presented in my OP. Read the rules and try again.

 

[AProudLefty]

You seem to be pretending that 'gender' is not a synonym of 'sex'. You seem to be attempting to redefine the word 'gender' into leftist gibberbabble.

It would do you some good to study etymology.


Correct, as there are all sorts of possible combinations, but as you will recall, my question in [2b] asks for a sex chromosome OTHER THAN X or Y, of which you have not provided and cannot provide. Ergo, sex (or "gender", if you prefer) is a BINARY system.


All of this is completely irrelevant and does not provide a sex chromosome other than X or Y.


Abnormalities are not normalities. --- This person is still male (XY chromosomes, presence of SRY gene). The system is still binary.


Incorrect. It is a simple binary matter. Abnormalities are not normalities.


No, it is not, except for liberals who love to gibberbabble incoherently.


Self delusion and/or feelings do not change biology or anatomy.


Self delusion and/or feelings do not change biology or anatomy.


Feelings are irrelevant.

You have, like all the others, failed to respond in accordance to the rules presented in my OP. Read the rules and try again.

Nobody claimed there are others other than X and Y.

Strawman fallacy.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

I won't try to change your mind because I don't give a fuck one way or another.

I believe in equal rights and opportunity for all liberal-voting people at least, no matter how fucked up they are.
But I also recognize a serious birth defect when I see it. No need to be "woke" about it.

 

[gfm7175]

No I do not agree.

You agree with my conclusion that X and Y are the only two sex chromosomes, ergo a BINARY system.

He is tying genders to chromosomes, making it impossible to discuss. It's a form of controlling the debate.

What does "tying genders to chromosomes" mean? This discussion is about one's sex (or "gender", if you will). Those terms are synonymous. You would know this if you know anything about etymology. Libtards, since about 10 or 15 years ago (in common parlance) and about 50 years ago (in "academia") have been attempting to redefine the word 'gender' from how it has been used since at least 15th century English (and at least 13th-14th century French and Latin).

 

[gfm7175]

I won't try to change your mind because I don't give a fuck one way or another.

I believe in equal rights and opportunity for all liberal-voting people at least, no matter how fucked up they are.
But I also recognize a serious birth defect when I see it. No need to be "woke" about it.

Completely irrelevant to my OP.

Why bother posting here if you can't follow the thread rules?

 

[Into the Night]

I won't try to change your mind because I don't give a fuck one way or another.

I believe in equal rights and opportunity for all liberal-voting people at least, no matter how fucked up they are.
But I also recognize a serious birth defect when I see it. No need to be "woke" about it.

So...by your own argument, people that can't figure out what gender they are have a serious birth defect. Gotit.

 

[gfm7175]

So you admit he's controlling the debate?

RQAA.

Holy fuck dude. Pay attention.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

So...by your own argument, people that can't figure out what gender they are have a serious birth defect. Gotit.

That's correct. I don't say persecute them. I don't say that they shouldn't have rights.
They're clearly defective, however. It's not their fault. Maybe their parents weren't breeding material.
People should be tested before they're licensed to procreate.

 

[Into the Night]

You agree with my conclusion that X and Y are the only two sex chromosomes, ergo a BINARY system.


What does "tying genders to chromosomes" mean? This discussion is about one's sex (or "gender", if you will). Those terms are synonymous. You would know this if you know anything about etymology. Libtards, since about 10 or 15 years ago (in common parlance) and about 50 years ago (in "academia") have been attempting to redefine the word 'gender' from how it has been used since at least 15th century English (and at least 13th-14th century French and Latin).

Remember that Lefty does not understand where words come from. He thinks he is being clever by posting random comments and phrases, denying his own arguments, and putting himself in paradoxes.

 

[Into the Night]

That's correct. I don't say persecute them. I don't say that they shouldn't have rights.
They're clearly defective, however. It's not their fault. Maybe their parents weren't breeding material.
People should be tested before they're licensed to procreate.

Unconstitutional.

 

[AProudLefty]

You agree with my conclusion that X and Y are the only two sex chromosomes, ergo a BINARY system.


What does "tying genders to chromosomes" mean? This discussion is about one's sex (or "gender", if you will). Those terms are synonymous. You would know this if you know anything about etymology. Libtards, since about 10 or 15 years ago (in common parlance) and about 50 years ago (in "academia") have been attempting to redefine the word 'gender' from how it has been used since at least 15th century English (and at least 13th-14th century French and Latin).

Sex is biological. Gender is role and a social construct.

 

[gfm7175]

There is no paradox.

Ignoring a paradox does not make it go away. You must clear it, otherwise you are being irrational.

 

[AProudLefty]

Ignoring a paradox does not make it go away. You must clear it, otherwise you are being irrational.

There is no paradox.

 

[gfm7175]

Unconstitutional.

Remember that NiftyNiblick does not understand what a constitution is nor how it works.