THEY WON'T DEFEND TRUMP!

[Ross Dolan]

Hey Frank, do you believe “your side” actually thinks the Senate can get the Trump “Executive Privilege” claim through the court before the election? Do you think they believe they can win that case in a Supreme Court with 5 Republican judges Frank? Think Frank! They simply want to force the Senate to prolong this farce all the way to the election to simply hold it over the head of Trump and smear him with it. It’s elementary my dear Frank!

I think "my side" is doing everything it can to protect our Republic.

Obviously you disagree.

Fine. Disagree away.

I think the Republicans know “your side” Frank has a fat ZERO impeachment and removal case. I think they know there’s ZERO chance this President will be removed. I think your side has known that from the get go Frank! I think Nancy and her henchmen are just patronizing your party’s far communist left and your party’s mad rabid junkyard dog voters with their hair on fire Frank. I think it’s high time your Gestapo party give it up and face the fact that the Republicans are gonna win back the House and add even more Republicans to the Senate and Trump, (the best President of our lifetimes Frank), will be reelected by a gigantic landslide. Be prepared Frank!

I am prepared for whatever happens, Robo.

And in my opinion, Trump will go down in history as THE worst president ever.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Frank,

Usually this is where the Trump supporters start talking about the stock market...and the economy in general.

I call to your attention that one of the first things that happened to Germany upon the ascension of Hitler to the Chancellorship...was that the German economy improved dramatically. It was one of the greatest economic achievements of history...from mind-numbing inflation and stagnation to a dynamic, robust economy.

Anybody know how that worked out for Germany?

I guess you could ask this guy!

Trump is a lot like Mussolini.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Nordberg,

the Dems are not trying to remove the 2016 election, the Repugs are trying to ignore the 2018 election. There was a message sent their way but they cannot read it or understand it.

Awesome post. (Except for the distracting and unneeded derogatory term)

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Nordberg,

NYT saw an excerpt from Bolton's book that said Trump tied the aid in Ukraine with the Biden investigations. I see why the Reds are preventing testimonies. Moscow Mitch is preventing a fair and real trial for political reasons. But we all knew that, didn't we? The difference is the Rebugs don't care if they cheat or lie. Just trying to get to a "win"/

They lie to themselves. It is a trait they picked up from their sad dictator. Plus, it is so much easier to accept being lied to, when one lies to oneself.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

It’s the hardest thing I’ve ever had to face up to in my life Frank. Only God can heal my pain and reunite us. I look forward to that day.



It’s apparent Frank that we have different sources of information. It would be nice old friend though if you could post some evidence for your proclamations. He’s a “menace to our Republic and the world” how Frank? Where and what have they found that proves “he’s willing to compromise America’s security in favor of his personal benefit” Frank? Who is “they” Frank?







Well Frank, if “your side,” really wants witnesses, why didn’t they subpoena them in their House hearings? Actually Frank the House has the “sole” authority to “impeach.” That means the “House” Frank has to make a case for removing a President & all civil officers of the United States. Read your Constitution Frank! The Senate has the sole authority to hear the House case and thereby the Senators are to be the jury to decide if a President or others should be removed from office as proven guilty by the House case presented. The Senate has no mandate to supply witnesses.

Look at the House witness list Frank. They claim they didn’t subpoena the Trump administration officers was because it would take too long to fight a Trump “Executive Privilege” claim in the courts, (a claim, by the way, Trump never made) he simply implied he would make that claim. Too long for what Frank? Why would they believe it would be quicker for the Senate to do it Frank? They don’t even believe they could win that court fight Frank! They don’t even know what those witnesses would say if they were to appear. You need to “know” or have strong suspicions based on facts Frank that those witnesses or documents have relevant evidence to present Frank, Where’s the evidence for that Frank?

I can plainly see why the Republicans don’t want any witnesses. They know there is no relevant impeach-able case to remove Trump. They know the evidence and witnesses that the House did present has more exculpatory evidence to favor Trump than to convict Trump. They know they, (the Republicans) can make a constitutional case that the House impeachment charges don’t even meet the constitutional requirements to impeach a President. Why would they want or need witnesses Frank? Why would they be that stupid Frank?

This is exactly what it boils down to.
If Pelosi felt that the subpoenas were being ignored, they should have gone to the Courts and requested help; but it now appears that she wants the Senate to do her job and prove her case, which boils down to the equivalency of the Prosecution asking the Court to help with what they couldn't prove.

 

[Robo]

Going over all this stuff again and again and again...serves no purpose, Robo. Let's just leave it at we look at what is going on...and I see one thing and you another.

I see Trump as an existential threat to our nation and its institutions. Hundred, perhaps thousands, of op ed and editorial pieces have been written enumerating the issues that prompt that opinion...but I think we can agree that you will not see them as such.

I’m disappointed old friend that you’re copping out on delivering evidence that you’re now proposing is plentiful. If it’s so plentiful Frank, you’d happily deliver it!

I listen to what Trump says and watch what he does...and I see incompetency, chaos, and classlessness.

Again old friend I’m so sorry that you see the Trump economy, trade deals, protecting the border, standing up to China, standing up to the NATO cheaters to deliver their fair share for the defense of Europe and their sticking it up America’s ass during both Democrat and Republican administrations and the Trump lowest unemployment rates in decades for blacks, Latinos and women and Trumps getting thousands of Americans off of food stamps and their wages going up for the first time in many years as classless chaos and incompetence. I can’t understand that thinking Frank.

The Senate is mandated to TRY the charges. Doing that requires the documents and witnesses that are being asked for. If, as you seem to think, the House was deficient in their duty t obtain them...that does not relieve the Senate from its responsibility.

On the contrary Frank, there’s ZERO mandate for the Senate to produce any evidence. While the Senate has the option by a majority vote to allow further evidence, it’s still the prosecutors and or the defense to provide such evidence. Your rabid mad junkyard dog Democrat prosecutors will have to produce the evidence and witnesses they want and likewise for the Republican defense in accord with whatever the Senate agrees on by a majority vote. Otherwise Frank the SENATORS are simply the jury.

In my opinion, "the House didn't do it" is nothing more than an excuse to justify the Senate performing a pro forma trial.

As I’ve told you Frank, the House didn’t do it because they didn’t want to take a trump Executive Privilege claim to court and risk being defeated in court or having the House case drag on through the election. They, (Nancy & her henchmen Schiff & Naddler) wanted get it into the Senate at exactly the right time to tie up Bernie and Warren in the Senate and keep them off of the campaign trail and give Biden an open shot at the nomination and accuse the Senate Republicans of an attempted cover up and try to flip the Senate in the election with such a preposterous smear.

In any case, an excellent case is being made that subpoena power for witnesses and documents will ultimately rest with the Chief Justice...and that the power of the Senate to overrule him is not as easily obtained as has been supposed.

We will see as the trial progresses.




We will see, Robo. We will see.

It’s not up to the Chief Justice Frank! The Senate must vote in majority for more witnesses or no more witnesses. The only authority the Chief Justice has is to settle any disputes between the prosecution and the defense on the “relevance” of particular witnesses to the actual charges.

 

[Bill]

Maybe Trump haters are trying to defend the record 47 + million on food stamps under Obama despite claims of jobs being created, a 19000 DOW is better than a 29000 DOW, or that record unemployment for all groups is better than the 10+ % during the previous 8 years.

& you bitched when bush the lesser bailed out the banks & left.

Oh yea, the Good O' Dayz when increasing the debt was a crime against God & man

 

[Nordberg]

It’s the hardest thing I’ve ever had to face up to in my life Frank. Only God can heal my pain and reunite us. I look forward to that day.



It’s apparent Frank that we have different sources of information. It would be nice old friend though if you could post some evidence for your proclamations. He’s a “menace to our Republic and the world” how Frank? Where and what have they found that proves “he’s willing to compromise America’s security in favor of his personal benefit” Frank? Who is “they” Frank?







Well Frank, if “your side,” really wants witnesses, why didn’t they subpoena them in their House hearings? Actually Frank the House has the “sole” authority to “impeach.” That means the “House” Frank has to make a case for removing a President & all civil officers of the United States. Read your Constitution Frank! The Senate has the sole authority to hear the House case and thereby the Senators are to be the jury to decide if a President or others should be removed from office as proven guilty by the House case presented. The Senate has no mandate to supply witnesses.

Look at the House witness list Frank. They claim they didn’t subpoena the Trump administration officers was because it would take too long to fight a Trump “Executive Privilege” claim in the courts, (a claim, by the way, Trump never made) he simply implied he would make that claim. Too long for what Frank? Why would they believe it would be quicker for the Senate to do it Frank? They don’t even believe they could win that court fight Frank! They don’t even know what those witnesses would say if they were to appear. You need to “know” or have strong suspicions based on facts Frank that those witnesses or documents have relevant evidence to present Frank, Where’s the evidence for that Frank?

I can plainly see why the Republicans don’t want any witnesses. They know there is no relevant impeach-able case to remove Trump. They know the evidence and witnesses that the House did present has more exculpatory evidence to favor Trump than to convict Trump. They know they, (the Republicans) can make a constitutional case that the House impeachment charges don’t even meet the constitutional requirements to impeach a President. Why would they want or need witnesses Frank? Why would they be that stupid Frank?

Please be honest. The administration prohibited his entire administration and anyone who was near it from testifying and providing documentation. That is the action of a guilty man. he does not want the truth to be known. The witnesses they had established the case. Sondland, and Yovanovich were clear and convincing. The witnesses that were in the admin were prevented from doing their duty to the country.
Do you think this is a game of hide and seek? Trump is hiding everything he can. The hope is he can't keep it up any longer. The country would be better off knowing the truth.

 

[Teflon Don]

Please be honest. The administration prohibited his entire administration and anyone who was near it from testifying and providing documentation. That is the action of a guilty man. he does not want the truth to be known. The witnesses they had established the case. Sondland, and Yovanovich were clear and convincing. The witnesses that were in the admin were prevented from doing their duty to the country.
Do you think this is a game of hide and seek? Trump is hiding everything he can. The hope is he can't keep it up any longer. The country would be better off knowing the truth.

So when Obama prevented testimony in fast and furious was that the action of a guilty man?

Be honest

Trump is innocent. He will win re-election. He will remake the courts.

You will like it. You can do nothing about it

 

[Bill]

Hitler was a liberal socialist. Let that sink in for a minute.

lol, so was trump...

 

[Ross Dolan]

I’m disappointed old friend that you’re copping out on delivering evidence that you’re now proposing is plentiful. If it’s so plentiful Frank, you’d happily deliver it!

Be disappointed then. The very strong evidence has been discussed to death. The people who refuse to see their Dear Leader in anything but a positive light refuse to see the truth. I am not going over it again. If that "disappoints" you...so be it.

Again old friend I’m so sorry that you see the Trump economy, trade deals, protecting the border, standing up to China, standing up to the NATO cheaters to deliver their fair share for the defense of Europe and their sticking it up America’s ass during both Democrat and Republican administrations and the Trump lowest unemployment rates in decades for blacks, Latinos and women and Trumps getting thousands of Americans off of food stamps and their wages going up for the first time in many years as classless chaos and incompetence. I can’t understand that thinking Frank.

I understand that you cannot, Robo. There were people like you in Germany during the 1930's who had that same problem with Hitler. I hope you do not find out how wrong you were the same way they found out how wrong they were.

On the contrary Frank, there’s ZERO mandate for the Senate to produce any evidence. While the Senate has the option by a majority vote to allow further evidence, it’s still the prosecutors and or the defense to provide such evidence. Your rabid mad junkyard dog Democrat prosecutors will have to produce the evidence and witnesses they want and likewise for the Republican defense in accord with whatever the Senate agrees on by a majority vote. Otherwise Frank the SENATORS are simply the jury.

Okay...if you think a trial should not have any evidence or witnesses...that is your right.

We will see what the Senate ultimately decides.

As I’ve told you Frank, the House didn’t do it because they didn’t want to take a trump Executive Privilege claim to court and risk being defeated in court or having the House case drag on through the election. They, (Nancy & her henchmen Schiff & Naddler) wanted get it into the Senate at exactly the right time to tie up Bernie and Warren in the Senate and keep them off of the campaign trail and give Biden an open shot at the nomination and accuse the Senate Republicans of an attempted cover up and try to flip the Senate in the election with such a preposterous smear.

If you want to think that what is happening here is not a trial, but rather political strategy on the part of the Democrats...fine with me (and probably with the Democrats also.)

I think Trump is guilty of impeachable offenses...and I am delighted he is on trial. I do regret there are enough Senators who are sycophants and will almost certainly acquit him.

It’s not up to the Chief Justice Frank! The Senate must vote in majority for more witnesses or no more witnesses. The only authority the Chief Justice has is to settle any disputes between the prosecution and the defense on the “relevance” of particular witnesses to the actual charges.

Well...there are learned jurists who seem to be saying otherwise. But...if you suppose you know the law better than they...okay with me.

 

[Robo]

Please be honest. The administration prohibited his entire administration and anyone who was near it from testifying and providing documentation.

No official claim in my recollection was ever made for Executive Privilege, nor did the House committees ever “subpoena” any administration witness or documents.

That is the action of a guilty man. he does not want the truth to be known.

There’s ZERO doubt in my mind that if Democrats truly believed any of that, they’d have burned the treads off of their shoes getting to the court to deliver their subpoenas. No such action ever happened. Instead the House committees delivered two preposterous articles of impeachment to the Speaker Of The House where she sat on them for a month where the court could have been deciding the delivery or no delivery of the witnesses and documents Democrats claimed they wanted.

The witnesses they had established the case. Sondland, and Yovanovich were clear and convincing. The witnesses that were in the admin were prevented from doing their duty to the country.

No witnesses presented by the House committees presented a dime’s worth of evidence to show where Trump committed any crime let along any high crime and misdemeanor.

Do you think this is a game of hide and seek? Trump is hiding everything he can. The hope is he can't keep it up any longer. The country would be better off knowing the truth.

What is it you’ve been brainwashed into believing Trump is hiding? He released the transcripts of the phone calls. Democrats are hiding the so-called whistle-blower When does Trump get to face his accuser?

 

[Robo]

Be disappointed then. The very strong evidence has been discussed to death.

I totally understand Frank why you avoid presenting any evidence that Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff , Jerry Naddler, CNN & MSNBC have infested your mind with old friend, it’s all bogus, weak lies having failed and been shown as fake news. Every accusation they’ve thrown at Trump produced ZERO evidence of the claims made.

The people who refuse to see their Dear Leader in anything but a positive light refuse to see the truth. I am not going over it again. If that "disappoints" you...so be it.

Truth requires evidence Frank! The people that refuse to present the evidence have ZERO truth! I am disappointed Frank that you’ve allowed the rabid mad junkyard dog liars invest your mind with absurd and unfounded hatred.

I understand that you cannot, Robo. There were people like you in Germany during the 1930's who had that same problem with Hitler. I hope you do not find out how wrong you were the same way they found out how wrong they were.

Hitler was a socialist Frank! Hitler’s political party was called the National “SOCIALIST” Party Frank! Hitler piled hundreds of government regulations on the German people Frank, Trump got rid of hundreds of regulations on the American people! Hitler imposed gun controls and confiscated the German people’s guns that weren’t members of the National “SOCIALIST” Party Frank! Hitler abolished free elections in Germany and declared himself Chancellor for life, Trump is a candidate for the second time for President in a FREE election Frank while your side is attempting to overturn the 2016 FREE election Frank! I’m so sorry old friend that you’ve allowed the forces of evil socialism infest your mind!

Okay...if you think a trial should not have any evidence or witnesses...that is your right.

We will see what the Senate ultimately decides.

Your criminal lying side Frank has turned you into a purveyor of lies and inaccuracies! I never said any such thing as you insinuate. I’ve argued that in impeachments the House is solely responsible for declaring impeachments, providing witnesses and documents and making the case for impeachments. The Senate is solely responsible for hearing the House impeachment case and acting as the jury to decide innocence or guilt of the party impeached by the House.

If you want to think that what is happening here is not a trial, but rather political strategy on the part of the Democrats...fine with me (and probably with the Democrats also.)

I think Trump is guilty of impeachable offenses...and I am delighted he is on trial. I do regret there are enough Senators who are sycophants and will almost certainly acquit him.

Impeachments Frank aren’t “trials” in the traditional scope and format of all other trials in America. Impeachments are a “SPECIAL” constitutional format for “SPECIAL” government constitutional authorities laid out by the Constitution and subjected to the “Political” rules and agreements by votes, by the two Houses of the Congress. The Chief Justice is simply there to see that the operation is conducted civilly and in accord with the rules of the Senate and to decide the validity and or relevancy of disputes between the parties contending.

 

[PoliTalker]

There is no defense for Trump.

That's why partisan Republicans are spending so much time attacking Democrats and Hunter Biden.

 

[RB 60]

There is no defense for Trump.

That's why partisan Republicans are spending so much time attacking Democrats and Hunter Biden.

And partisan libturds aren't attacking Trump and Republicans? Get your pathetic head out of your ass, you inbred communist!

 

[Robo]

There is no defense for Trump.

That's why partisan Republicans are spending so much time attacking Democrats and Hunter Biden.

You don't have a TV & Fox News, huh? The Republican defense of the President is stunning and ripping the Democrat's Kabuki Theater show to threads!

 

[Ross Dolan]

I totally understand Frank why you avoid presenting any evidence that Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff , Jerry Naddler, CNN & MSNBC have infested your mind with old friend, it’s all bogus, weak lies having failed and been shown as fake news. Every accusation they’ve thrown at Trump produced ZERO evidence of the claims made.

Obviously you DO NOT understand. But I have explained it twice...and I will leave it at that.

Truth requires evidence Frank! The people that refuse to present the evidence have ZERO truth! I am disappointed Frank that you’ve allowed the rabid mad junkyard dog liars invest your mind with absurd and unfounded hatred.

Oh, the irony!

Hitler was a socialist Frank! Hitler’s political party was called the National “SOCIALIST” Party Frank! Hitler piled hundreds of government regulations on the German people Frank, Trump got rid of hundreds of regulations on the American people! Hitler imposed gun controls and confiscated the German people’s guns that weren’t members of the National “SOCIALIST” Party Frank! Hitler abolished free elections in Germany and declared himself Chancellor for life, Trump is a candidate for the second time for President in a FREE election Frank while your side is attempting to overturn the 2016 FREE election Frank! I’m so sorry old friend that you’ve allowed the forces of evil socialism infest your mind!

Hitler was not a socialist...he was a fascist. The Nazi party did use "Socialist" in its full name...but you may not realize this, but Hitler lied almost as much as Trump.

It was a ruse.

The Nazi party was totally RIGHT WING.

Your criminal lying side Frank has turned you into a purveyor of lies and inaccuracies! I never said any such thing as you insinuate. I’ve argued that in impeachments the House is solely responsible for declaring impeachments, providing witnesses and documents and making the case for impeachments. The Senate is solely responsible for hearing the House impeachment case and acting as the jury to decide innocence or guilt of the party impeached by the House.

Okay...and if you are against having witnesses and evidence at the trial...that is your right.

Impeachments Frank aren’t “trials” in the traditional scope and format of all other trials in America. Impeachments are a “SPECIAL” constitutional format for “SPECIAL” government constitutional authorities laid out by the Constitution and subjected to the “Political” rules and agreements by votes, by the two Houses of the Congress. The Chief Justice is simply there to see that the operation is conducted civilly and in accord with the rules of the Senate and to decide the validity and or relevancy of disputes between the parties contending.

If you are against the Senate allowing witnesses and evidence at the trial of Trump...that is your right, Robo.