Transgender support isn't "woke"

TOP said:
What if you did have granddaughters playing field hockey with boys? And using the same locker room? What if you had a granddaughter who lost a scholarship or a medal because a male took the spot? And was changing next to her in the locker room... no one is losing sleep but the world shouldn't be turned upside down ...At all... so suspenders just don't swim on the wrong team;)
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They tend to dismiss those arguments.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
What if you minded your own business?

Sports = winners and losers. A better person than you would teach their athlete child that there will always be athletes better, and worse, than you. The only thing that matters is how YOU play.
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That's really not the lesson here. You wouldn't expect your 12 year old to compete against 18 year olds and simply tell them to tough it out. That is NOT what sports is about.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
It is psychological therapy as well as, eventually, hormonal therapy, and possible surgery. IMO if a teenager feels that he/she is the wrong gender, psychological care should be instituted. Any physiological therapy, like hormone tx, IMO should wait till the teen is legally able to decide (and pay for) that, age 18 or up. If they prefer to dress as the gender they feel comfortable with, let 'em. If it were my child I would definitely support them while warning them that bullying and abuse are strong possibilities. If their school didn't have a gender-neutral bathroom, I would suggest using the appropriate one for their birth sex, and always go in with a buddy or a sympathetic staff member to avoid problems.
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That's reasonable. Most anti trans arguments tend to revolve around the lie that prepubescent children are getting mutilated.
 
BartenderElite said:
It's respect for freedom & individuality. It's opposing discrimination, hate and intolerance.

Transgenders exist. No amount of hate & denial changes that. They deserve as much respect and as many rights as every American.

I mean, ultimately - what's it to ya?
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"Transgender support isn't "woke" '.You are somewhat right. It is stupid. And retarded. Just so happens that those who know nothing about biology or science applaud it. democrats of course.
 
Phantasmal said:
Your ignorance of the whole matter is what I was addressing, not your statistics.
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He's actually making the argument for acceptance.

I never open his links because they never bolster his point in the discussion.

I'm going to bet that every link addresses suicidal tendencies in those who are struggling with the thought of being uncomfortable as their birth gender. Coupled with the social pressures they endure every day if they dare to act on their desires to be different.

Not people who are openly trans.
 
zymurgy said:
what right is not being respected?
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Absolutely none. Much like the whole black/brown/white thing. Who in this country does not have equal rights? Nobody. democrats HAVE to keep that divide. Otherwise even their own will be looking at their record. Dismal at best. The intelligent in the world understand that simple thing. No democrats of course.
 
Theywillneverlearn! said:
Absolutely none. Much like the whole black/brown/white thing. Who in this country does not have equal rights? Nobody. democrats HAVE to keep that divide. Otherwise even their own will be looking at their record. Dismal at best. The intelligent in the world understand that simple thing. No democrats of course.
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slow your roll - that new Tennessee law is pretty concerning to me - and anyone that fears people abusing powers granted
 
TOP said:
What's wrong with requiring that biological males are not eligible to compete as women? They are not women, after all...Open teams/categories will be created...
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They should be able to compete, but only after they lose muscle mass, lung capacity, and strength.

The way NCAA rules (which are being reviewed) now exist, the length of hormone treatment isn't long enough.

There is a way to get it done so it's fair, but it would take years. That swimmer is a prime example. He ranked 400+ as a male swimmer. Now he dominates women's swimming. Further, he uses the women's locker room even though he is still attracted to women.

The female swimmers' rights are being denied at every turn.

It will change over time.
 
Doc Dutch said:
The wrongness is using the force of Federal law to dictate to private organizations how to think, what to do and what to believe.
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The laws vary by state, and you see massive outcry in the states who get it right.

Personally, I think it's an unfair advantage and would not support any sports organization that allows it. OTOH, I do support sports that allow different genders to compete. If a girl/woman can be make the football, baseball or volleyball team, fine. Who am I to say they can't play?
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That's a different issue, and is slowly evolving.

Especially with wrestling. There are girls who wrestle against boys because they have no choice. There are girls who play football, but typically as kickers.

They tried to draw the line at 'contact' sports back in the seventies. But most sports can be considered contact sports so it got tough to define the parameters.

But this addresses a (typically) physically inferior gender working overtime to build the ability to compete at the highest level. The issue is usually a lack of a program for women, so they must compete against men. We've come a long way since last century.
 
Althea said:
That's really not the lesson here. You wouldn't expect your 12 year old to compete against 18 year olds and simply tell them to tough it out. That is NOT what sports is about.
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Of course it isn't. But we weren't talking about age differences. We are talking about athletic ability. If a male has been taking hormones to block testosterone and hormones to feminize him, after so many years (I believe athletic authorities say two) he has lost significant muscle mass. IMO I think that trans ladies shouldn't be competing with bio females, but that's what the athletic assocs. say.
 
BartenderElite said:
I don't see it as much more than a "hate" boycott. I'd be curious to hear a real justification for it.

They're just using a transgender actor in one of their ads, from what I understand. I'm at a loss as to how that harms anyone, or how that's shoving some agenda down everyone's throat.
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It's not 'shoving' so much as 'normalizing'. Which should not be a problem.

But those who can't accept it do NOT want to see trans issues normalized.
 
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