Transgender support isn't "woke"

zymurgy said:
Can an adult male wear a dress? Can he do so around a child in public?
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even while doing perverted things for the Biden administration.......
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Althea said:
They should be able to compete, but only after they lose muscle mass, lung capacity, and strength.

The way NCAA rules (which are being reviewed) now exist, the length of hormone treatment isn't long enough.

There is a way to get it done so it's fair, but it would take years. That swimmer is a prime example. He ranked 400+ as a male swimmer. Now he dominates women's swimming. Further, he uses the women's locker room even though he is still attracted to women.

The female swimmers' rights are being denied at every turn.

It will change over time.
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And how many trans athletes are there, as usual, they exaggerate the problem.
 
Althea said:
Which is exactly why I offered that age difference. Totally different muscle mass.

And now the arbitrary two year mandate is proven to be too short. NCAA is reviewing the rules. They now see that lung capacity is another issue in the equation.

Socially, the female swimmers are extremely uncomfortable in the locker room when a girl with a penis, who admits to being attracted to women is in the same showers, etc.. They are uncomfortable with her roaming naked through the locker room.
They want a separate accommodation and are being denied because the trans athlete has more rights than they do. Because a litigious society typically screws everything up until it gets sorted out.

In reality, and trans athlete would have to begin treatment 4 years before competing (+/-) which is tough to plan for.
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I don't know about all that locker room stuff; haven't read anything about it because frankly, Scarlett, I don't give a damn about sports. As a kid/teen/adolescent I was forced to get naked in front of strangers in the girls locker room after PE. Most of us greatly resented that at that age. Simple solution: provide shower curtains. Problem solved.
 
zymurgy said:
umm, no I didn't.

I want to see how far down the wormhole the authoritarians are here

Can an adult male wear a dress?

he deflected, showing what a shit show this all is.
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Oh, this is a personal thing between you and some other JPP person. (backs slowly away) Sorry. I see nothing.

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Phantasmal said:
And how many trans athletes are there, as usual, they exaggerate the problem.
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I'm sure we don't see the vast majority of them, as their presence is inconsequential in low level sporting activities.

When I coached youth basketball, I had a girl on the team who was as good as a lot of the boys. At 11 or 12 years old with short hair, most opponents thought she was a boy.

It was clear back then that she would be gay, but she enjoyed sports and competed at a high level on woman's softball all through school.

Which is the exact opposite of the trans issue, but there was a lot of pushback against girls competing with boys for decades.

Eventually they'll work out a fair set of guidelines for trans athletes competing in high school or college.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I don't know about all that locker room stuff; haven't read anything about it because frankly, Scarlett, I don't give a damn about sports. As a kid/teen/adolescent I was forced to get naked in front of strangers in the girls locker room after PE. Most of us greatly resented that at that age. Simple solution: provide shower curtains. Problem solved.
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When the swimmer issue was in the news, we had a few threads here. There was quite a bit of discussion re the locker room, as the women were pissed.

Most kids are apprehensive about gym locker rooms when they first reach middle school.
 
Celticguy said:
adoption/fostering, teaching, "familiy" drag shows, "children's" books, entertainment.
but you already knew this....
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Actually no, I did not know this mythic threat to the very foundation of American values, beginning with our children. It's evident that you think that exposure to any hint of sexuality other than holding hands will cause the corruption of our holy children, and the extinction of not only the American Way, but possibly the human species.

Kids are a lot more resilient than you regressives believe. Growing up being exposed to people who don't speak your language, who don't look like you, who have visible disabilities, who eat weird foods -- those have all been human fears in this country for 200 years. Yet we managed.

Cope with the gender thing you will. -- Yoda
 
Althea said:
When the swimmer issue was in the news, we had a few threads here. There was quite a bit of discussion re the locker room, as the women were pissed.

Most kids are apprehensive about gym locker rooms when they first reach middle school.
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Well, duh. I recall gleefully running around nude until I got to be eight or nine, then suddenly I was ashamed. Remained that way for a long time. I probably would have liked PE class a lot more if it wasn't for the perverted insistence that we all strip down and shower in a prison-type open shower room afterwards. I'm glad my kids never had to experience that stupidity. Like what? We're going to grow enough bacteria to die on the school bus on the way home? lol
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Well, duh. I recall gleefully running around nude until I got to be eight or nine, then suddenly I was ashamed. Remained that way for a long time. I probably would have liked PE class a lot more if it wasn't for the perverted insistence that we all strip down and shower in a prison-type open shower room afterwards. I'm glad my kids never had to experience that stupidity. Like what? We're going to grow enough bacteria to die on the school bus on the way home? lol
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That's pretty stringent. We were never forced to shower after class. We changed into/out of gym shorts before class, but there was no mandated showering. Hell...there wasn't enough time. Some people did, but I opted not to.
 
Althea said:
That's pretty stringent. We were never forced to shower after class. We changed into/out of gym shorts before class, but there was no mandated showering. Hell...there wasn't enough time. Some people did, but I opted not to.
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You're younger than me, maybe that's the issue. Did you guys have to endure the annual Presidential Fitness Tests too?
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I don't know about all that locker room stuff; haven't read anything about it because frankly, Scarlett, I don't give a damn about sports. As a kid/teen/adolescent I was forced to get naked in front of strangers in the girls locker room after PE. Most of us greatly resented that at that age. Simple solution: provide shower curtains. Problem solved.
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Modesty is over rated.
 
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