Truck driver sentenced to 110 years for accident.

Should the Colorado governor commute the sentence of truck driver that lost his brake

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Grumpy said:
Try staying on topic for a change.
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It's okay if you don't want to answer.

TBH, I didn't expect an emotional hot mess like you to respond with an honest reply because it appears old age hasn't been kind to you and you're no longer a rational male.

Still, 110 years is a bullshit consequence of mandatory sentencing laws.
 
I'll be perfectly honest, I didn't watch any of the trial. I can only go on what the jury found. They were present for the entire trial, saw all the evidence and heard the prosecution and defense make their cases. They were also informed of the applicable laws in the state of Colorado.

In October, a jury found the truck driver guilty of 27 counts: four counts of vehicular homicide, six counts of assault in the first degree (extreme indifference); 10 counts of attempt to commit assault in the first degree (extreme indifference); two counts of vehicular assault (reckless); one count of reckless driving; and four counts of careless driving causing death.
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https://jalopnik.com/truck-driver-sentenced-110-years-for-deadly-crash-stemm-1848226110

Dutch Uncle said:
Stupidity isn't a crime. The driver was stupid and ill-trained, not reckless. OTOH, I agree that two years for four deaths of manslaughter is too short.

What is your suggestion? Four?
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@Dutch Uncle, You contend that the driver was "stupid and ill trained, not reckless". What is your evidence of that? Why did the jury who actually saw the entire trial clearly disagree with your assessment?

In answer to your specific question, I would say 20-25 years, with a chance for parole somewhat sooner. Keep in mind this asshole was offered a plea deal and wouldn't agree to anything more than a traffic ticket for killing 4 people.

Eagle_Eye said:
What reckless decisions did he make? As far as I can tell the only mistake he may or may not have made was not using the runaway trunk ramp. The main question then is did he even see or know it was there? People die in unavoidable car wrecks all the time should we jail all the survivors involved?
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@Eagle_Eye, what reckless decisions did he make? Ask the 12 people who listened to all the evidence, heard both sides make their case, were apprised of applicable law and found him guilty of 27 counts. You obviously didn't watch any more of the trial than I did.

As far as you can tell... Did he see the runaway truck ramp... The jury found him guilty of 27 counts. He had the chance to make a plea deal and didn't. Now he should get out after 2 years because a bunch of bleeding heart simps feel sad?

Your last point is so stupid, I won't bother to address it, other than to say the crash we are discussing WAS avoidable.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
In April 2019, the truck Aguilera-Mederos was driving lost its brakes, CBS Denver reported. He passed one of the state's runaway truck ramps as he descended from the mountains, a point the prosecution focused heavily on during the trial.

He then crashed into several cars stopped on eastbound I-70 in Lakewood, sparking a massive fire. The highway was shut down in both directions for roughly 24 hours, according to the station.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rogel-aguilera-mederos-sentenced-colorado-traffic-crash/

Should the governor commute the sentence?
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I think that 110 years would be appropriate for someone who intentionally killed people in a traffic incident.

This driver was negligent, but his actions were not intentional. So, I believe it is way too harsh!

Why he didn't take the safety ramp is certainly questionable!

But cresting a hill going over 1500 RPMs in the wrong gear, is something that every Truck Driver has done at some point in their career.

And let me tell you, the result of it is the scariest thing one can ever do! The off ramp is the only option, if one is available on long downward slopes.

Because Truck transmissions will not allow you to change gears if you are already exceeding 1500 RPMs, and applying the SPRING brakes on a downhill slope will only lead to brake failure in just a couple of hundred feet or even less. SO MAY GOD HELP YOU IF THIS EVER HAPPENS TO YOU!

Truck Driving schools and training drivers pound this into your brain like nothing else!
 
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Sirthinksalot said:
I'll be perfectly honest, I didn't watch any of the trial. I can only go on what the jury found. They were present for the entire trial, saw all the evidence and heard the prosecution and defense make their cases. They were also informed of the applicable laws in the state of Colorado.



https://jalopnik.com/truck-driver-sentenced-110-years-for-deadly-crash-stemm-1848226110



@Dutch Uncle, You contend that the driver was "stupid and ill trained, not reckless". What is your evidence of that? Why did the jury who actually saw the entire trial clearly disagree with your assessment?

In answer to your specific question, I would say 20-25 years, with a chance for parole somewhat sooner. Keep in mind this asshole was offered a plea deal and wouldn't agree to anything more than a traffic ticket for killing 4 people.



@Eagle_Eye, what reckless decisions did he make? Ask the 12 people who listened to all the evidence, heard both sides make their case, were apprised of applicable law and found him guilty of 27 counts. You obviously didn't watch any more of the trial than I did.

As far as you can tell... Did he see the runaway truck ramp... The jury found him guilty of 27 counts. He had the chance to make a plea deal and didn't. Now he should get out after 2 years because a bunch of bleeding heart simps feel sad?

Your last point is so stupid, I won't bother to address it, other than to say the crash we are discussing WAS avoidable.
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You miss several points 1. I never said he was innocent! 2. I never said the accident was unavoidable! The whole argument is the sentence is excessive. That is th problem with mandatory sentencing. People who commit 1st degree murder get lighter sentences. I am a staunch conservative but that does not mean I must support unjust legislation.
 
Sirthinksalot said:
I'll be perfectly honest, I didn't watch any of the trial. I can only go on what the jury found....

@Dutch Uncle, You contend that the driver was "stupid and ill trained, not reckless". What is your evidence of that? Why did the jury who actually saw the entire trial clearly disagree with your assessment?

In answer to your specific question, I would say 20-25 years, with a chance for parole somewhat sooner. Keep in mind this asshole was offered a plea deal and wouldn't agree to anything more than a traffic ticket for killing 4 people....

...Your last point is so stupid, I won't bother to address it, other than to say the crash we are discussing WAS avoidable.
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Same here about the trial. BTW, the "@" sign doesn't work here. The only way to tag someone is to quote them even if the entire text field is "..." Like below.

My evidence is results. Although my expertise is in aircraft accidents not trucks, the human factors involved remain the same. The company put in ill-trained idiot behind the wheel of a, on average, 45,000#, 70MPH 18-wheeler to save a few bucks.

Yes, the driver has responsibility and must pay his fair share. What I'm saying is so should the assholes who put this idiot on the road. You claimed he was illegal. Who did that? Although it appears you lied and he's actually legal, the point remains the same: Who put this fucking moron behind the wheel of an ill-maintained 18-wheeler? Where is their responsibility? Where is their penalty?

Why are you so quick to nail the "illegal" Mexican driver and not say a single fucking word about the owner of that truck? Your choice to answer or run from the question as always.




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Eagle_Eye said:
You miss several points 1. I never said he was innocent! 2. I never said the accident was unavoidable! The whole argument is the sentence is excessive. That is th problem with mandatory sentencing. People who commit 1st degree murder get lighter sentences. I am a staunch conservative but that does not mean I must support unjust legislation.
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Agreed, but the "sir" doesn't deserve the title since he's obviously keying in on the point that the driver was an "illegal", according to him, Mexican.

He doesn't mention or find fault with who owned or maintained the truck.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
In April 2019, the truck Aguilera-Mederos was driving lost its brakes, CBS Denver reported. He passed one of the state's runaway truck ramps as he descended from the mountains, a point the prosecution focused heavily on during the trial.

He then crashed into several cars stopped on eastbound I-70 in Lakewood, sparking a massive fire. The highway was shut down in both directions for roughly 24 hours, according to the station.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rogel-aguilera-mederos-sentenced-colorado-traffic-crash/

Should the governor commute the sentence?
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Why did he NOT take the 'Runaway Truck' ramp? Too stupid? Unqualified? Not aware of what a 'Runaway Truck' ramp was? Some Flatlander first time driving in 'mountains'?
 
--->"A runaway truck ramp, runaway truck lane, escape lane, emergency escape ramp, or truck arrester bed is a traffic device that enables vehicles which are having braking problems to safely stop. Wikipedia"<---
 
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