Trump backs out of "60 Minutes" interview after appearing "scattered" and incoherent in Wisconsin

[Litmus]

Nope. Trump is a crook and you like that.

the bank was fine with the whole deal.

there was no victim.

there was no crime.

You people are abusers of the legal system.

this is why you're losing.

 

[IBDaMann]

PHD paths usually pay for their own tuition,

Disingenuous. The person acquiring the PhD is who earns the future income, not the PhD credential.

I wonder who is the top paid, the someone with a radiological technologist certificate, a medical doctor, or a engineer developing the next generation of diagnostic equipment... You are claiming it is the radiological technologist.

Don't assign bogus positions to me just so you'll have something to attack.

Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Taylor Swift, Jeff Bezos, Salman bin Abdulaziz (king of Saudi Arabia), Ken Griffin, (founder and CEO of Citadel), Donald Trump, and many others have no PhD. Your assertion that a PhD is somehow responsible for generating more income than a human without a PhD is rather silly.

Seriously, any job that requires only certs is going to pay you at most $70 an hour,

I will reiterate that you don't know what you are talking about.

I have a low opinion of certs.

As do I, for the reasons I mentioned. That has no bearing on the employers who require them or on your pivot away from certs being required far more than a PhD.

Most of the employers I deal with are more cutting edge,

You claim that they are "cutting edge" but that they don't require certs. I don't believe you.

They bring me in to help figure out whether the applicant is really qualified, and do not trust an online cert.

You are pivoting again. Certs cover a certain fixed domain. Any business will demand certs for domains of the business, and will pursue additional vetting of individuals for domains outside of those covered by certs.

I think certs will get you some licenses in healthcare, but outside of that I know of no licenses that a technical cert will get you.

The purpose of a cert is to ensure a domain of knowledge, not to acquire a license.

You clearly have no idea how a PHD usually works.

You use the word "clearly" whenever you wander into unfamiliar territory and dig a hole for yourself.

Suffice to say that as far as I am concerned, you might very well be in high school, pretending to be a PhD because lying about such has perhaps worked for you in the past. In an online forum, however, all of your words must stand on their own, and yours do not.

Usually, PHD students are doing research and teaching to get their PHD.

Yep.

It gives them academic experience, but also pays their tuition in full, and pays them a stipend to live on.

If they're in such a program. When you graduate from high school, you'll learn about night school for professionals.

To get a PHD you have to do original research,

Nope.

I've read too many theses that were full of sufficient unintelligible crap that the PhD advisor felt he could just let it slide without anyone caring.

The reality is that universities have long since become WOKE and greatly fear being labelled as RACIST! so most minorities who turn in sufficient CRAP get the PhD credential handed to them. Yes, there are PhD theses that have excellent research presented, but most don't present any solid conclusion, which should absolutely preclude them from being accepted.

Take this with you as you move forward: research alone is not enough, regardless of how voluminous it might be.

Nonetheless, every day students are being awarded PhDs for crap that does not add to humanity's body of knowledge. As it stands, when someone tells me that he has a PhD, my thoughts are "Big fucking deal, so does everyone, and it is rare for one to actually be meaningful."

There is a PHD dissertation, along with a PHD dissertation defense.

Universities just want your cash and find it easier to just award the PhD if the tuition is paid. PhDs are fucking worthless now.

Tell someone that you have a PhD and he won't care. You'll come off as an academic who can't actually do anything practical and who isn't headed for grander things as those I mention above. On the other hand, tell someone that you have a bachelors degree in electrical engineering or that you are a certified cloud solutions architect, for example, and you'll suitably impress.

When hiring a new PHD, I always read the PHD dissertation, to get an idea of what sort of research they can do.

When I read a dissertation, I jump right to "Conclusions" ... and am always disappointed.

A number from an online cert will not tell me anywhere near as much information.

That's because you can't really do any research. If you could actually perform research, you would find out the knowledge domain of the cert so that you would know what the candidate understands. Reading a PhD dissertation tells you nothing beyond the candidate's inability to articulate any valid conclusions.

People lie about everything,

I'm amazed at your dismissive acceptance. When people such as yourself claim to have a PhD in some area, they have absolutely no excuse for getting anything wrong, especially the easy fundamentals.

You are claiming to have a PhD so don't make any more rookie errors.

In what is your claimed PhD?

but it is darn tough to get away with a lie about a PHD.

I spot them right away.

Do you believe in Global Warming and Climate Change?

You would have to somehow get a PHD dissertation into the archives,

Nope. People claim having a PhD without specifying what it is or from where. They simply claim a PhD. People of similar political persuasions always take the claim on face value. I do not.

 

[IBDaMann]

I already outlined why I would catch someone who lied about having a PHD, but it took a little while to figure out why I do not run into this anymore.

You're discussing the wrong point. First, I grant you that I am not the only one who can spot someone who is lying about PhD, but I am specifically referring to an anonymous internet forum such as JPP. Second, you're supposed to be explaining why someone who has no PhD and who simply has certifications in every domain of relevance for a position ... is somehow not qualified.

I'd like to hear your explanation.

My job is usually to figure out what the PHD means.

Frankly, if I were hiring for a technical position, I wouldn't ask you to review a dissertation that obviously does not cover the job duties. That sounds absolutely absurd on its face. I would expect you to first check all relevant certifications and then vet where certifications do not cover.

So you start out by reading the PHD dissertation,

I wouldn't ever have that done. You'll get nothing from it except for possibly misplaced disappointment.

reading the doctoral advisor's recent peer reviewed papers, etc.

Now I'm certain that you believe in Global Warming and Climate Change. Please ask me how I know.

Then you talk to the doctoral advisor,

I can't see any company having any need for your services. I really don't.

and a few other people at the university.

You seem to worship academics.

Those who can, do. Those who can't have no choice but to teach.

 

[Walt]

Universities just want your cash and find it easier to just award the PhD if the tuition is paid.

That is just not how PHD's usually work. Usually, the university pays the tuition, and even pays the student a salary called a stipend. The PHD student pays for his education by teaching, and doing research.

A university wants your hard work. Their incentive is to hold you there making low wages for as long as they can. There is a reason that graduate students are called "slave labor."

Nope. People claim having a PhD without specifying what it is or from where. They simply claim a PhD. People of similar political persuasions always take the claim on face value. I do not.

So in this fantasy world, people are applying for jobs saying they have a PHD, without specifying in what, or from where? Couldn't that also happen with a cert? I could say, I have a cert in something.

In the real world, if you are going to put a PHD on your resume, you are going to give enough details to know what it is, and where it is from.

 

[Walt]

but I am specifically referring to an anonymous internet forum such as JPP

Anyone can claim to have a cert on JPP too. The claim that certs are better than PHD's, because anyone can claim to have a PHD just falls apart. PHD's have more details involved, and their reliability are more defended. You can think of it as an exclusive club, that other PHD's are unwilling to throw open to the masses.

Second, you're supposed to be explaining why someone who has no PhD and who simply has certifications in every domain of relevance for a position ... is somehow not qualified.

There are fields where a cert suffices, but many that a cert is nowhere near qualified. A cert can only be for relatively simple, limited knowledge. There is no way to get a cert for research.

I can't see any company having any need for your services. I really don't.

I have way too many offers and not enough time, which means I really do not care if you do not want to hire me.

 

[IBDaMann]

That is just not how PHD's usually work.

It's how universities work. State for the record that you don't think universities are WOKE.

Also, I can't deny my own observations. PhD students get away with turning in crap and get awarded their degree. Universities are happy as long as you are paying your tuition and they are meeting their DEI cross-sectional inclusivity quotas. It doesn't matter what one's doctoral thesis is supposed to be, but if a PhD student manages to work into his dissertation " ... and Climate Change acceleration continues to make it worse than previously feared by scientists ..." then the credential is a lock.

Usually, the university pays the tuition,

Not in the case of professionals pursuing a PhD in night school. They don't teach (because they have a day job) and so they don't get the tuition waived and they don't receive a stipend.

Anyway, this is moot. A PhD doesn't tell you anything about what practical knowledge one has, and that's what employers need to know. This is where certifications enter the picture. If you are looking to hire an engineer to design/build and oversee your networks, are your going to hire the guy who has a PhD in something network related or are you going to hire the guy who has Cisco's Architect certification but who didn't list his education on his resume?

A university wants your hard work.

Well, they certainly want your slave labor, and your tuition. Nowhere in there anywhere will you find that they want you to learn anything ... but if you happen to that could be seen as a bonus.

Their incentive is to hold you there making low wages for as long as they can. There is a reason that graduate students are called "slave labor."

We're singing from the same sheet of music.

So in this fantasy world, people are applying for jobs saying they have a PHD, without specifying in what, or from where?

So, on many forums, many people claim to be PhDs when they are not, hoping to intimidate others into simply accepting their arguments without any other support.

Couldn't that also happen with a cert?

Sure. Credentials are meaningless in an online forum; nonetheless, people insist on claiming credentials and often they are lying. The only reason for claiming credentials is to try to bully and/or intimidate an argument into being accepted without having to support it.

I could say, I have a cert in something.

If it a field with which I am familiar, I'll know you are lying in very short order.

In the real world, if you are going to put a PHD on your resume, you are going to give enough details to know what it is, and where it is from.

In the real world, I have to omit/elide many pages of material if my resume is to be viewed by a human because my resume is way too long (search engines perform key word matches). I only present relevant material on my resume.

 

[IBDaMann]

Anyone can claim to have a cert on JPP too.

Bingo.

The claim that certs are better than PHD's, because anyone can claim to have a PHD just falls apart.

Nope. Reengage the reading comprehension. The claim is that certs are better than a PhD because the cert specifies the body of knowledge that is known proficiently.

PHD's have more details involved,

Telling an employer that you have a PhD tells him very, very little. You might be proficient in the needed functions and you might not.

There are fields where a cert suffices, but many that a cert is nowhere near qualified.

Logical error. A certification is not somehow "lesser" of a qualitification. If a job requires proficiency covered by a particular certification then that particular certification is a higher qualificiation than any college degree.

A cert can only be for relatively simple, limited knowledge.

Once again, you don't know what you are talking about. Just for laughs, what college degree do you imagine is preferred by oil companies for their deep sea welders than the following:

Deep Diving Commercial Diver Certification (DCBC)
American Welding Society Certified Welder (CW)
Underwater Welding Certification
OSHA 30-Hour Construction Safety
First Aid and CPR

I have way too many offers and not enough time, which means I really do not care if you do not want to hire me.

Nonetheless, I still don't see any need for the services you describe.

 

[Into the Night]

Most professional licenses would be a state law issue. It creates a nightmare patchwork of inefficiency, but it is the way we do things.

A pilot's license is not issued by a State.
An aircraft mechanic's license is not issued by a State.
An explosives or hazardous materials manufacturing license is not issued by a State.
DOT regulations concern interstate commerce as well as intrastate commerce.
Medical certifications are handled through the Surgeon General, a federal office.
A Masters license (ship captain) is a federal license. It is not issued by a State.
Welder certifications are set by the federal government, not any State.
Radio operator licenses are issued by the federal government, not any State.

I oughta know. I hold them all except for a Masters license.

Some licenses are issued by States, such as driver's licenses (including CDL), and various business licenses. Those licenses MUST comply with federal law.

I oughta know. I hold a CDL and also own my own business, manufacturing sensors and controllers for industrial, medical, aerospace, and entertainment use.

Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are both college dropouts. Look at how much money they made!
Now go look at the number of college graduates, holding diplomas, can't find a job beyond retail or fast food work.

Do you know how many programmers I come across that hold a diploma, and can't code their way out of a wet paper bag?
Hundreds...all asking for a job. I won't hire them. They're useless and arrogant.

I won't hire anyone from Harvard or Berkeley either, for the same reason.

I'm not the only company that takes this attitude either.



And NONE of this means one whit on JPP. Certificates, credentials, licenses, diplomas, and titles mean NOTHING here.

 

[Nordberg]

the bank was fine with the whole deal.

there was no victim.

there was no crime.

You people are abusers of the legal system.

this is why you're losing.

Which crime are you referring to? Is it the fake elector's scheme? Is it the Georia trying to cheat the vote ? Is it the NYC case he lost and is out on bail awaiting sentencing?Is it his stealing a truckload of government secret documents and lying to the FBI as he stashed some away?
You find that corrupt prick to be presidential. Trump is not very good at hiding his corruption. The problem is you Trumpys do not care about the law. You are the problem.

 

[IBDaMann]

I won't hire anyone from Harvard or Berkeley either, for the same reason.

You are wise beyond your years. I'm going to suggest you add Columbia University to your list as well. Also, if your hiring requirements involve economics, think twice before hiring anyone from Stanford or Princeton.

I'm not the only company that takes this attitude either.

Charles Darwin initially wrote "On the Origin of the Successful Business" in which he explained how companies that hired useful employees had a statistical advantage in making profits in future quarters, whereas companies who hired students from Berkely and Columbia, for example, became extinct.

Darwin's publisher, however, convinced him to go in a different direction.

 

[Litmus]

Which crime are you referring to? Is it the fake elector's scheme? Is it the Georia trying to cheat the vote ? Is it the NYC case he lost and is out on bail awaiting sentencing?Is it his stealing a truckload of government secret documents and lying to the FBI as he stashed some away?
You find that corrupt prick to be presidential. Trump is not very good at hiding his corruption. The problem is you Trumpys do not care about the law. You are the problem.

I allege there was no crime.

are you not paying attention.

YOU say there's crime, so YOU name it.

 

[Into the Night]

is life about efficiency?

Remember that socialists claim to be 'efficient', since they control every aspect of the economy through their tyranny.

 

[Into the Night]

There is an argument to be made that even trump does not know trump's plans, because he lacks the mental ability to make plans.

You should probably go read his campaign platform. He publishes it, you know.
Kamala doesn't have a platform (other than socialism). You are describing Kamala.

 

[Into the Night]

A lot of economics is about efficiency.

Define this 'efficiency'.
What do you is 'efficient', and how are you measuring this 'efficiency'?

 

[Into the Night]

Nope. Trump is a crook and you like that.

What crime, Sybil?

 

[Into the Night]

Valid argument. He literally lives in the moment, because he can't remember what just happened. Say nothing about the fact that everything he says is a lie. Everything. It's hard to remember the lies.

So you can't remember any of the so-called 'lies'. Gotit.
Bulverism fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

Trump might be asked when he was told Pence is running for his life in the capitol and Trump said "so what". Trump does not care about anyone but himself.

Pence was never running for his life, Sybil.

 

[Into the Night]

Say it isnt' so??? Trump an uncaring NARCISSIST?

No.

I don't believe it for one minute.

FEMA. Mayorkas. Kamala. Biden. These are who you are describing.

People are dying. Where is FEMA? Where is Mayorkas? Where is Kamala? Where is Biden?

Elon Musk is trying to deliver supplies to these people. Other private citizens are doing what they can too.
Where is FEMA? Where is Mayorkas? Where is Kamala? Where is Biden?

 

[Into the Night]

You are wise beyond your years. I'm going to suggest you add Columbia University to your list as well. Also, if your hiring requirements involve economics, think twice before hiring anyone from Stanford or Princeton.


Charles Darwin initially wrote "On the Origin of the Successful Business" in which he explained how companies that hired useful employees had a statistical advantage in making profits in future quarters, whereas companies who hired students from Berkely and Columbia, for example, became extinct.

Darwin's publisher, however, convinced him to go in a different direction.

Stanford and Princeton are also on my list of No Hire. Same problem. Same arrogance.
The University of Washington isn't much better. They have a decent medical school, and can turn out halfway reasonable aerospace engineers, but their computer engineering dept is in the dark ages, and much of THAT is funded by Microsoft. I'll let Microsoft hire 'em. They are useless to me. They manage to fail my first interview technical question. They are afraid of pointers and don't know how to use them, and they don't know how to manage memory.

Like your Darwin story!

 

[Into the Night]

Telling an employer that you have a PhD tells him very, very little. You might be proficient in the needed functions and you might not.

The last PhD that came through here I had to fire because he fucked up the drill press which required repair. He was trying to drill a hole through a plastic box. A circuit for a modem he designed caught fire. He needed help to plug in his computer. He couldn't even design an oscillator that could withstand office environments, much less the harsh environments my instruments have to go into.

Useless. So much for his PhD in electrical engineering. I hear he's working for the government now as some kind of clerk.

Logical error. A certification is not somehow "lesser" of a qualitification. If a job requires proficiency covered by a particular certification then that particular certification is a higher qualificiation than any college degree.

Indeed it is. In fact, some certifications are REQUIRED to exercise the priveleges for some licenses or to even apply for such license! Examples are pilots, CDLs, ship captains (Masters license), etc.

Once again, you don't know what you are talking about. Just for laughs, what college degree do you imagine is preferred by oil companies for their deep sea welders than the following:

Deep Diving Commercial Diver Certification (DCBC)
American Welding Society Certified Welder (CW)
Underwater Welding Certification
OSHA 30-Hour Construction Safety
First Aid and CPR

Nonetheless, I still don't see any need for the services you describe.

Bingo.