trump blames low-income people, minorities for 'ruining' suburbia

Old Trapper said:
You are acting as if only big cities have felt the influence of population growth. Being a country boy myself I find self segregation to be the greater cause for alarm, if any:

https://www.brookings.edu/research/...ans-still-live-in-mostly-white-neighborhoods/

And this is just one of three being built in my little town of less then 5,000:

https://ktvz.com/news/la-pine/2020/05/25/new-development-will-bring-condos-retail-spaces-to-la-pine/
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Most places around the country don't have large population growth along with local citizens and their representatives who prevent the development of new housing thus causing housing prices to soar while forcing middle class people to move out and creating huge inequality. But I know, that's all a lie and doesn't really exist and is just right-wing racism.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
both you and cawhacko are ignoring the voucher system which helps low income people have an equal shot at available housing..........section 8 will not solve California's problem because there isn't enough housing for people who HAVE money......
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I shouldn't have mentioned section 8, that was my bad. Section 8 isn't the issue here.
 
Hello cawacko,

cawacko said:
You're asking what a real estate developer knows about suburbia? I have a hard time buying that one.
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He has zero experience in that market, no familiarity. All he knows is he is not polling well in the suburbs. If it weren't for that fact it would be the furthest thing from his narrow attention span.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello cawacko,



He has zero experience in that market, no familiarity. All he knows is he is not polling well in the suburbs. If it weren't for that fact it would be the furthest thing from his narrow attention span.
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What does polling have to do with a developer understanding land use regulation and zoning laws?
 
Bill said:

On Tuesday, President Donald Trump refused to condemn white supremacists. On Wednesday, he appeared to blame suburban, low-income people of color for “ruining this American dream.”​


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“By the way, just so we can get this straight, 30 percent of the people in the suburbs are low-income people. Thirty percent of the people in the suburbs are minorities. And so we’re ruining this American dream for everybody,” Trump said.

"They zone you out, they build low-income housing next to your house," Trump continued. "And then I hear I'm not doing well in the suburbs. I'm not doing well in the suburbs — are you people crazy?​

More trump hate @ source
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What does the data say about correlation between poverty and crime? Aren't you lefties always blaming poverty for why people commit crimes? It's interesting how liberals pick and choose when to "follow the science". :thinking:
 
Hello cawacko,

cawacko said:
What does polling have to do with a developer understanding land use regulation and zoning laws?
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Absolutely nothing. Now, what control over local zoning laws does a president have?

Zoning is typically a local issue.

If anybody thinks their presidential vote is going to have any effect on their local zoning they are mistaken.

Also, Donald Trump's contention: "They zone you out, they build low-income housing next to your house" is absurd.

Suburbia is pretty much built out. You buy a house in a neighborhood you like and you expect that neighborhood to stay that way. Unless you are at the edge of the subdivision nothing is gettin gbuilt next to your house because there is already another house just like yours sitting there. If anything gets put in nearby, it's going to be retail shopping, restaurant or more similar housing.

And developers know there is no big money in building low income housing. Low income housing is called trailers. And no community with middle class suburban homes is going to allow trailers to be put in next o nicer homes. That is a good way for local office holders to get voted out.

Bottom line:

It's a LOCAL ISSUE.

It has zero to do with the presidential election.

Donald, just blowing more smoke and mirrors as usual.
 
The faux scare Donald Trump is trying to create (which is a local issue,) is actually more of a concern if voting Republicans into office. Just look at Houston, with very little zoning regulation. Lack of planning resulted in too much build-out, without enough planning for drainage. That place typically has sparse rains, but when it does it rains like crazy and floods. That's why the whole region flooded so badly with Tropical Storm Harvey. Republican zoning laws.

Houston, with it's lax Republican zoning, is where you might have little control over what gets built next to you.
 
cawacko said:
Can't say I've ever heard NIMBYism compared to Q-Anon. That is definitely a new one Old Trapper.
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Would be a good deal if you would learn to comprehend the English language. NIMBY has become nothing more then a conspiracy theory worthy of consideration by groups such as Q-Anon. People have moved on the self segregation.

Ok, so help me understand here. In your mind the NIMBY movement doesn't exist, nor does its counter the YIMBY movement, it's just a lie made up by racists? Wow. I wouldn't even know where to begin with that. Not sure if you're trolling or just ignorant on the topic.
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Low IQ types like you lack the ability to understand. Never said NIMBY did not exist, just that it is irrelevant. People are more concerned with other issues when it comes to race relations. Well, the majority are since one has to excuse the right wing racist from the argument.
 
Old Trapper said:
Would be a good deal if you would learn to comprehend the English language. NIMBY has become nothing more then a conspiracy theory worthy of consideration by groups such as Q-Anon. People have moved on the self segregation.



Low IQ types like you lack the ability to understand. Never said NIMBY did not exist, just that it is irrelevant. People are more concerned with other issues when it comes to race relations. Well, the majority are since one has to excuse the right wing racist from the argument.
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If I was to be generous I would say it's understandable someone who lives in a town of 2K people in the middle of BFE has no clue about the housing, zoning and land use battles occurring in the state of California and other coastal cities because it's not something you read about on a daily basis or legislation you see being discussed or something your politicians discuss while running for office.

But based on your attitude and response here I'm not feeling generous. You are as ignorant as it gets on multiple levels here. For starters do some research if you think this is all some big conspiracy. And it's pretty frightening to see you calling others racist while having no clue the racial implications of the NIMBY movement. If you want to talk about equality and access to opportunity well allowing non rich people access to the top public schools in well to do suburbs is an excellent start. And that occurs by allowing multi-family and other non single family homes type of development in these communities. And regardless of the reasoning that's what Trump and left-wing NIMBYs are ultimately fighting against. (and this is just the beginning of the conversation)

But I appreciate some old white dude in BFE Oregon talking sh*t on a subject you clearly know little to nothing about.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello cawacko,



Absolutely nothing. Now, what control over local zoning laws does a president have?

Zoning is typically a local issue.

If anybody thinks their presidential vote is going to have any effect on their local zoning they are mistaken.

Also, Donald Trump's contention: "They zone you out, they build low-income housing next to your house" is absurd.

Suburbia is pretty much built out. You buy a house in a neighborhood you like and you expect that neighborhood to stay that way. Unless you are at the edge of the subdivision nothing is gettin gbuilt next to your house because there is already another house just like yours sitting there. If anything gets put in nearby, it's going to be retail shopping, restaurant or more similar housing.

And developers know there is no big money in building low income housing. Low income housing is called trailers. And no community with middle class suburban homes is going to allow trailers to be put in next o nicer homes. That is a good way for local office holders to get voted out.

Bottom line:

It's a LOCAL ISSUE.

It has zero to do with the presidential election.

Donald, just blowing more smoke and mirrors as usual.
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Most housing laws are passed at the local and even state level. However there is federal government involvement as well. The Obama Administration passed some regulation, the Affirmitive Furthering Fair Housing, that Trump claims to be overturning. Trump's play here is strictly a dog whistle to white suburban voters but that doesn't change the fact that left-wing NIMBYs push for exactly what Trump is proposing albeit without the racial rhetoric.

The YIMBY movement was founded by progressives pushing back against NIMBYs.

https://cayimby.org/

https://yimbyaction.org/
 
Suburbia sucks anyway.

Anybody who can afford a six million dollar apartment overlooking Central Park lives there.
I wish that I were one of them.

I grew up in a nice city, thankfully, but now my ass is stuck in suburbia with the boring whitebreads.
Suburbanites are mostly like walking Seconol.
And rural shitkickers are worse.
 
PoliTalker said:
The faux scare Donald Trump is trying to create (which is a local issue,) is actually more of a concern if voting Republicans into office. Just look at Houston, with very little zoning regulation. Lack of planning resulted in too much build-out, without enough planning for drainage. That place typically has sparse rains, but when it does it rains like crazy and floods. That's why the whole region flooded so badly with Tropical Storm Harvey. Republican zoning laws.

Houston, with it's lax Republican zoning, is where you might have little control over what gets built next to you.
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you're a sick control freak.
 
cawacko said:
Da fuq? Most of this happens at the state and local level. When was the last time a question about housing was asked to a Presidential candidate?
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I asked what mainstream left-wing politicians do this, not what left-wing presidential candidates.
 
Althea said:
NIMBY often refers to pro fracking, pro drilling, pro pipeline GOP who don't want any of it near their properties.
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Yeah, but I do think there are people who think racial diversity is good just as long as it's far far away from them. So Nimbys aren't always Republicans who want to destroy the environment.
 
Hello StoneByStone,

StoneByStone said:
Yeah, but I do think there are people who think racial diversity is good just as long as it's far far away from them. So Nimbys aren't always Republicans who want to destroy the environment.
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Everyone should be judged on the content of their character, not the color of their skin.
 
StoneByStone said:
Leftists don't try to keep neighborhoods white. Of course we all want this and that includes Leftists. But left-wing politicians don't fight for white spaces like the Right does.
There are a lot of Rightists who agree with left-wing economic policy, so I do wonder if the Democrats would be able to win elections if they started dog whistling like Republicans.
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maybe if mainstream media became pro racist.
 
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