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PostmodernProphet

PostmodernProphet

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The contrast could not be more stark. And one of the questions as the debate unfolds is just how this 21st century of the Reagan-Bush divide will be presented by front-runner Trump. Because in a very real sense the Reagan-Bush divide is at the core of today’s GOP. Will the party open up, as Reagan forced it to do with the addition of evangelicals and blue-collar Democrats — “Reagan Democrats” as they came to be called? Will it mean what it says, and do what it says? Or will it continue to be what it has become in the Bush Eras 41 and 43. A country club party, filled with calls for “civility” as a substitute for bold conservative policy, always waiting for a “next time” to fight that somehow never seems to arrive.
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http://spectator.org/articles/63706/trump-and-reagan-bush-divide

I can remember when Dole warned that Reagan would destroy the GOP if he got the nomination.......now I'm not arguing that Trump is Reagan, but this election has so many similarities to 1980...

Republican president many viewed as a disgrace followed by an incompetent Democrat who comes close to destroying the economy and a horrible foreign policy record including problems with Iran and Russia........controversial, non establishment Republican candidate with a history of Democrat allegiance.......popular in primaries but not supported by GOP leaders...trailed in polls till the weekend before the election.....

strong support from blue collar workers including Dem labor union standbys......
 
The biggest, of many, differences is Reagan was involved in the conservative movement for a long time. He gave an amazing speech during the election in '64 and spent years talking about conservative issues. He also ran and lost in '76.

Trump was a Democrat up until a few years ago, one who supported Hillary Clinton! And he's a populist not a conservative. Trump is a force of personality. He's not a movement like Reagan was.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
http://spectator.org/articles/63706/trump-and-reagan-bush-divide

I can remember when Dole warned that Reagan would destroy the GOP if he got the nomination.......now I'm not arguing that Trump is Reagan, but this election has so many similarities to 1980...

Republican president many viewed as a disgrace followed by an incompetent Democrat who comes close to destroying the economy and a horrible foreign policy record including problems with Iran and Russia........controversial, non establishment Republican candidate with a history of Democrat allegiance.......popular in primaries but not supported by GOP leaders...trailed in polls till the weekend before the election.....

strong support from blue collar workers including Dem labor union standbys......
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Sorry Pimple puss...
Not even close...
 
cawacko said:
The biggest, of many, differences is Reagan was involved in the conservative movement for a long time. He gave an amazing speech during the election in '64 and spent years talking about conservative issues. He also ran and lost in '76.

Trump was a Democrat up until a few years ago, one who supported Hillary Clinton! And he's a populist not a conservative. Trump is a force of personality. He's not a movement like Reagan was.
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Well said cawacko.
 
cawacko said:
The biggest, of many, differences is Reagan was involved in the conservative movement for a long time. He gave an amazing speech during the election in '64 and spent years talking about conservative issues. He also ran and lost in '76.

Trump was a Democrat up until a few years ago, one who supported Hillary Clinton! And he's a populist not a conservative. Trump is a force of personality. He's not a movement like Reagan was.
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Reagan was a "movement" alright! like the one my dog took out on my front lawn this morning! A steaming pile of movement!
 
Rana said:
Reagan was a "movement" alright! like the one my dog took out on my front lawn this morning! A steaming pile of movement!
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Reagan from his grave says:

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cawacko said:
The biggest, of many, differences is Reagan was involved in the conservative movement for a long time. He gave an amazing speech during the election in '64 and spent years talking about conservative issues. He also ran and lost in '76.

Trump was a Democrat up until a few years ago, one who supported Hillary Clinton! And he's a populist not a conservative. Trump is a force of personality. He's not a movement like Reagan was.
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Reagan couldn't get elected dog catcher in todays GOP. He would be considered a RINO.

I mean PiMP analogy is hilarious. Granted Obama is hardly the second coming of Lincoln but for a George W. Bush supporter to call anyone incompetent is about as delusional as one can get. Carter was a mediocrity. Obama has a significant legacy for, if nothing else, digging this nation out the Bush shithole. There's no arguing that Dumbya was the least competent chief executive since Warren G. Harding and the most dishonest since Nixon.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Reagan couldn't get elected dog catcher in todays GOP. He would be considered a RINO.

I mean PiMP analogy is hilarious. Granted Obama is hardly the second coming of Lincoln but for a George W. Bush supporter to call anyone incompetent is about as delusional as one can get. Carter was a mediocrity. Obama has a significant legacy for, if nothing else, digging this nation out the Bush shithole. There's no arguing that Dumbya was the least competent chief executive since Warren G. Harding and the most dishonest since Nixon.
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GWB was not good but that doesn't make Obama a good President. This is one of the worst recoveries on record and sh*t is going to hell overseas. Judged against all prior Presidents he is nothing special.
 
Rana said:
Reagan was a "movement" alright! like the one my dog took out on my front lawn this morning! A steaming pile of movement!
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My dog took a Rana yesterday. It didn't move after he took it much like the freeloaders and leeches you think the rest of us should be forced to support. It smelled like you but, as always, was the same color as the President you support.
 
PP's OP reminds one why Trump is now the talking head for the republican party - I mean how many inaccurate, when not dishonest, points can one make in a short paragraph? Seven years of 'birtherism' has created a GOP that doesn't know which end is up. I do find Trump's self congratulatory election dialogue interesting when he gets outside himself and talks trade and other countries dumping their products on American soil. Look where things are made today, or survey his screaming audience on what car they drive? This is an area few mention in either party as both believe the nonsense of free market preachers. Wanna get down the debt, build here and tax here, but do you really think Apple, Nike, and all the corporations that offshore work are going to listen? America is based on constant growth and that is married to a stock market mentality that ain't changing soon. We are now a service and entertainment economy. Keeps the folks occupied and happy. Immigrants are the baddies of old. Simple stuff. And so it goes.....
 
cawacko said:
GWB was not good but that doesn't make Obama a good President. This is one of the worst recoveries on record and sh*t is going to hell overseas. Judged against all prior Presidents he is nothing special.
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Unfortunately the facts speak otherwise. Despite substantial and irrational obstructionist opposition Obama shit canned GOP supply sider nonsense and implemented sound Keynesian fiscal policy that eventually ended the Bush recession of 2008. His policy would have ended it sooner if it had not been for an obstructionist congress. Not to mention He got us out of Bush's immoral war in Iraq and his most significant accomplishment was using REPUBLICAN IDEAS to start the 40 year over due reforming of our health care system.

The fact that Obama has accomplished as much as he did despite the largely racist based opposition of the Southern GOP faction is hugely significant and his legacy will be that of an above average President, which given the record of U.S. Presidents is actually high praise indeed.

Where as it hasn't even been 10 years since Bush left office and his legacy as one of this nations most inept chief executives ever has been cemented. W has been relegated to the dust bin of U.S. history along with Harding, Cooledge, Pierce, Buchanon, Andrew Johnson and Nixon.

As for what is going on overseas, and by that I'm sure you mean the ME, mainly Iraq and Syria, what utter nonsense. That is purely the result of the power vacuum caused by the Bush's immoral invasion of Iraq, his moronic de-Bathification and the sectarionalism Bush created by placing Sunni factionalist in power. Put the blame for that cluster fuck squarely where it belongs, with George W. Bush and his incompetent and immoral clutch of neocon supporters.
 
the big cheating in elections began under Rayguns


dole was correct


some on the right are voting trump to purposefully break the party


republicans
 
PostmodernProphet said:
another similarity with Trump?........they were saying Reagan couldn't get elected dog catcher in 1980 up until the week of the election.....
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Funny...I don't remember that and I voted for Reagan in 1980. What I remember was people predicting Reagan would win by a landslide...and wow...guess what? He did.

Point being. Trump is no Ronald Reagan. He has neither Reagans message, in fact he has no consistent message, nor does he have Reagans discipline to remain on message and, for God's sakes, he certainly doesn't have Reagans common decency, respect for his colleagues or optimism. Though Trump has built a broad coalition it yet remains to be seen if he can even come close to building the broad coalition that Reagan built.

The truth is Trump has very little in common with Reagan.
 
cawacko said:
The biggest, of many, differences is Reagan was involved in the conservative movement for a long time. He gave an amazing speech during the election in '64 and spent years talking about conservative issues. He also ran and lost in '76.

Trump was a Democrat up until a few years ago, one who supported Hillary Clinton! And he's a populist not a conservative. Trump is a force of personality. He's not a movement like Reagan was.
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True in some parts, not so true in others.

Trump wrote checks to Hillary as a businessman. He assumed she would have been president and was buying favors from her. And frankly, had she won that primary against Obama, we all would have been much better off. She either would have lost to McCain or she wouldn't have been as extreme a left winger as Obama. So maybe Trump had a point.

I think you make quite a point in claiming Trump is a populist, not a conservative. I'm just wondering how much good the alleged "conservative movement" has done us over the past 20 some years. Reagan was the last conservative president we've had. Other conservatives have run, but whatever Republicans became president were liberals or centrists. I'm thinking that if this race comes down to conservative versus liberal, we'll lose. Liberal has too big an advantage, both in party politics (since most of the GOP establishment is just as liberal as Hillary_) and in the media.

Trump has taken us OUT of that morass. With him, it's about competency. It's about a businessman fixing things as opposed to political hacks piddling around. He makes a powerful point.
 
Funny...I don't remember that and I voted for Reagan in 1980. What I remember was people predicting Reagan would win by a landslide...and wow...guess what? He did.
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The polls on Election Day in 1980 had Jimmy Carter winning the race.

Point being. Trump is no Ronald Reagan. He has neither Reagans message, in fact he has no consistent message, nor does he have Reagans discipline to remain on message and, for God's sakes, he certainly doesn't have Reagans common decency, respect for his colleagues or optimism.
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Very true. Reagan was an entertainer. He had a different temperament. He was a much more forgiving soul. Trump comes from an industry that is very unforgiving of fools. He is a competitive animal, flourishing in one of the most competitive markets in the world.


Though Trump has built a broad coalition it yet remains to be seen if he can even come close to building the broad coalition that Reagan built.
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He will. He's running against a third term of a president who is ten times as bad as Carter. And he has a much better track record at creating jobs. That's the number one concern in the eyes of the voters today.

The truth is Trump has very little in common with Reagan.
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Only a few things: They were both liberal Democrats. (Reagan was a VERY liberal Governor of California.) They both changed their tune when they saw what liberalism was doing to the country.

Both were outsiders that were (and probably still are) hated by the GOP establishment.
 
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