"Trump Said Campaign Finance Violations Aren't a Crime"

Lesh said:
Sorry...it's a crime . Regardless of anything anyone else did or didn't do.
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Go read the campaign finance rules. This has been going on for yeeeeeeeeears. Pols wrote the rules and they sure weren't going to write rules designating this as a CRIME or all of D.C. would have been locked up all year long, continually...both Pubs AND Dems.
 
Stretch said:
Believe whatever you want. I'm not an "expert, neither are you and you won't listen and pay attention to those who ARE, so what's the use?
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If it isn’t a crime, why did the judge let Cohen pledge guilty? Wouldn’t the judge have thrown it out? It’s ridiculous to say it isn’t a crime. I don’t understand this reasoning.
 
Phantasmal said:
If it isn’t a crime, why did the judge let Cohen pledge guilty? Wouldn’t the judge have thrown it out? It’s ridiculous to say it isn’t a crime. I don’t understand this reasoning.
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I've been talking about Trump, not Cohen. Trump did not commit a crime. I don't give 2 wits about what happens to Cohen or what he did.
 
archives said:
"Speaking under oath in court Tuesday, Michael Cohen admitted arranging payments to keep a former Playboy model and a porn star quiet during the 2016 election about alleged affairs “in coordination with and at the direction of a candidate for federal office” — Trump. He told the judge that he knew what he was doing was illegal but that he did it anyway.

All of these admissions, as the Judge presiding over the case, William H. Pauley III, said in court Tuesday, rendered Cohen’s actions a felony: he knew he was breaking the law — specifically the Federal Election Act, which regulates money in politics — and he did it anyway. If he had no knowledge he was doing anything illegal, but merely donated more money than the federally allotted limit, he potentially could have faced a less severe repercussion, such as a monetary fine from the Federal Election Commission.


“The difference between a campaign finance violation that is a crime and a campaign finance violation is a civil matter is whether the action was taking knowingly and willfully,” explained Paul S. Ryan, the Vice President of Policy & Litigation at Common Cause, the non-partisan organization that filed complaints with the Department of Justice and the Federal Election Commission earlier this year regarding these payments."

"Nevertheless, Trump tweeted Wednesday morning that the violations to which Cohen pleaded guilty weren’t really crimes"

http://time.com/5374619/donald-trump-campaign-finance-law-crimes/

Appears that we are now moving in Trump's illusionary reality beyond "truth isn't the truth" to "law ain't law," the alternative law, and after the right wing media pounds the script home, the lemmings will argue it
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Matter of perspectives here. He was Trump's long-time lawyer so from Trump's perspective, this could have been about being his long-time lawyer and not the campaign.
 
Phantasmal said:
If it isn’t a crime, why did the judge let Cohen pledge guilty? Wouldn’t the judge have thrown it out? It’s ridiculous to say it isn’t a crime. I don’t understand this reasoning.
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I think a lot of people don’t understand the nuances of campaign finance law—quite possibly including the judge. Plenty of judges make asinine rulings that get thrown out under review. The judge could just be plain wrong and it would hardly be a first.

There’s two hurdles for The Resistance if they are going to use this to ‘stop Trump’: the first is getting the charge in front of jury and getting it to stick to Cohen. The second hurdle is trickier—implicating Trump with it.

Contrary to media hype, there’s a long way to go. Even Pelosi is tamping down the impeachment talk.
 
Stretch said:
I've been talking about Trump, not Cohen. Trump did not commit a crime. I don't give 2 wits about what happens to Cohen or what he did.
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If he is a co conspirator, there is a possibility he committed the same crime. He hasn’t been indicted because he’s a sitting President and it’s never been established if that can occur, but once he is indicted he can be tried for the same crime to which Cohen pleaded guilty.
 
Phantasmal said:
If he is a co conspirator, there is a possibility he committed the same crime. He hasn’t been indicted because he’s a sitting President and it’s never been established if that can occur, but once he is indicted he can be tired for the same crime to which Cohen pleaded guilty.
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It seems that especially if a President commits a felony,he should be indicted while in office!
 
Stretch said:
I've been talking about Trump, not Cohen. Trump did not commit a crime. I don't give 2 wits about what happens to Cohen or what he did.
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Trump directed and paid for a felony. But in Trumpland, pure as the driven snow. I guess Cohen was having sex with hookers while Trump was married and blaming Trump. Trump and Cohen did the acts to deceive the American people during an election. Campign finance crime, but the Repugs don't care. Trump is guilty too.
 
Getin the ring said:
what Trump tweeted, in your own link by the way was that what Cohen pleaded guilty to was the same thing Obama was charged with.

Which by the way was not only not reported by your heroes at CNN but was settled by paying a fine

so tell us nut-bag

what do you have to say now that your own thread title was a lie, that I had to straighten out

so comment on the link you posted
what should happen to Trump and Cohen on the campaign finance issue?
tell us, come on nut-bag, think of something, you posted it
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Simply NOT TRUE. LIAR
 
Phantasmal said:
If it isn’t a crime, why did the judge let Cohen pledge guilty? Wouldn’t the judge have thrown it out? It’s ridiculous to say it isn’t a crime. I don’t understand this reasoning.
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This is from a couple hours ago.......
From 3:45 > 9:18 will partially answer your question.

 
Phantasmal said:
If he is a co conspirator, there is a possibility he committed the same crime. He hasn’t been indicted because he’s a sitting President and it’s never been established if that can occur, but once he is indicted he can be tried for the same crime to which Cohen pleaded guilty.
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A defendant may be found guilty while a "co-conspirator" might not.
 
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