Trump supporters want respect

[Guno צְבִי]

Again you demonstrate your ignorance, and desperation. I don't believe that religion should be the basis of laws. I do believe religion is the basis for morality (something you know little of). But then too, you have said nothing that speaks to "religion", or any moral issue much less the "reality of existence". Since you think of yourself as being "intelligent" I would suggest you post something related to the "reality of existence". Or are you going to rely on sheer stupidity.

religion is morality?

justifying moral views because a god says so is inherently flawed.

Morality exists outside of religion. As a matter of fact, religion does nothing short but create a complete relativistic conundrum as to how to lead a moral life. Most individuals are endowed with the capacity to be moral (psychopaths are void of some important moral sentiments) without the requisite belief in an invisible deity.

The following is a good piece on rationality and morality

This is an all-important lesson that humanity must learn: Religion is hazardous to your health.

Unfortunately, conventional views of religion hold just the opposite. Many people believe that religion is the necessary basis of morality—that without belief in God, there can be no ethics, no right or wrong. A character in Dostoyevsky’s The Brothers Karamazov famously expressed this view: “In a world without God, all things become permissible.” In the 21st century, many people still believe this.

But the converse is true. A rational, fact-based, life-promoting morality is impossible on religious premises. Indeed, religion clashes with every rational principle and factual requirement of a proper, life-advancing ethics. A proper ethics, one capable of promoting flourishing human life on earth, requires the utter repudiation of religion—of all of its premises, tenets, implications, and consequences.




https://www.theobjectivestandard.com/issues/2012-fall/religion-versus-morality/

 

[Nordberg]

Religion is a nasty business competing for membership and gathering all the money and power they can. Yeah, the Muslims and Catholics are so religious. They are turning people away. We have had religious wars for thousands of years. They are not where you learn morality. It is where you go to be propagandized through inculcation. It is cruel that do that to children and scare the "hell"out of them. I have no respect for religions. They do not deserve it.

Religions are twisted copies of the Hammurabi Code. Truth is we have to have rules to live in large groups. Society set those up long before religions.

 

[Old Trapper]

Easy, it is to provide girls with the ability to make their own decisions. Almost nobody wants an abortion. It is desperate and lonely women making a tough and necessary decision. I doubt there are many that make that choice easily. Once they do, it is what they think is best for them and their lives. Note: you do not fit in that decision making. You know nothing about them, but from far away, you assume you have that right. The grandiose thinking that requires is stagering. It is aslo a legal medical procedure.

Again you resort to the baseless claim of letting the whore make her own decision as if no moral concept is involved. Is anyone so stupid as to think that she does not know that by having sex there is a good chance she will become pregnant, and the choice she made prior to having sex should (and usually doesn't) take that into consideration?

 

[Old Trapper]

religion is morality?

justifying moral views because a god says so is inherently flawed.

Morality exists outside of religion. As a matter of fact, religion does nothing short but create a complete relativistic conundrum as to how to lead a moral life. Most individuals are endowed with the capacity to be moral (psychopaths are void of some important moral sentiments) without the requisite belief in an invisible deity.

The following is a good piece on rationality and morality

This is an all-important lesson that humanity must learn: Religion is hazardous to your health.

Unfortunately, conventional views of religion hold just the opposite. Many people believe that religion is the necessary basis of morality—that without belief in God, there can be no ethics, no right or wrong. A character in Dostoyevsky’s The Brothers Karamazov famously expressed this view: “In a world without God, all things become permissible.” In the 21st century, many people still believe this.

But the converse is true. A rational, fact-based, life-promoting morality is impossible on religious premises. Indeed, religion clashes with every rational principle and factual requirement of a proper, life-advancing ethics. A proper ethics, one capable of promoting flourishing human life on earth, requires the utter repudiation of religion—of all of its premises, tenets, implications, and consequences.

Strange how when one tries to discuss religion most assume that it has to do with a superior being, and thus ignore the complete definition:

"2: a particular system of faith and worship.

3: a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance."

And, then following the usual tradition of the non-believer, they cite some inane theory such as " Religion is hazardous to your health." Now I can understand how some might feel that way if they are trying to justify some form of immoral behavior such as abortion, pedophilia, murder, incest, lying, stealing, and a whole list of various actions that society has over the generations determined to be "immoral". And understand, it was not just one individual exercising some form of "ethics" that brought this about.

But to your other fallacious point: "A proper ethics, one capable of promoting flourishing human life on earth, requires the utter repudiation of religion—of all of its premises, tenets, implications, and consequences." in times past that very concept was practiced, and led only to enslavement of the many resulting in crimes against humanity of the most vile kind. It is not the concept of a God fearing religion that is the danger, it is when man perverts that religion as ISIS has done, as the slave owners of early America did, and as Atheists throughout history have done.

And as you are trying to do now.

 

[Old Trapper]

religion is morality?

justifying moral views because a god says so is inherently flawed.

Morality exists outside of religion. As a matter of fact, religion does nothing short but create a complete relativistic conundrum as to how to lead a moral life. Most individuals are endowed with the capacity to be moral (psychopaths are void of some important moral sentiments) without the requisite belief in an invisible deity.

The following is a good piece on rationality and morality

This is an all-important lesson that humanity must learn: Religion is hazardous to your health.

Unfortunately, conventional views of religion hold just the opposite. Many people believe that religion is the necessary basis of morality—that without belief in God, there can be no ethics, no right or wrong. A character in Dostoyevsky’s The Brothers Karamazov famously expressed this view: “In a world without God, all things become permissible.” In the 21st century, many people still believe this.

But the converse is true. A rational, fact-based, life-promoting morality is impossible on religious premises. Indeed, religion clashes with every rational principle and factual requirement of a proper, life-advancing ethics. A proper ethics, one capable of promoting flourishing human life on earth, requires the utter repudiation of religion—of all of its premises, tenets, implications, and consequences.

Strange how when one tries to discuss religion most assume that it has to do with a superior being, and thus ignore the complete definition:

"2: a particular system of faith and worship.

3: a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance."

And, then following the usual tradition of the non-believer, they cite some inane theory such as " Religion is hazardous to your health." Now I can understand how some might feel that way if they are trying to justify some form of immoral behavior such as abortion, pedophilia, murder, incest, lying, stealing, and a whole list of various actions that society has over the generations determined to be "immoral". And understand, it was not just one individual exercising some form of "ethics" that brought this about.

But to your other fallacious point: "A proper ethics, one capable of promoting flourishing human life on earth, requires the utter repudiation of religion—of all of its premises, tenets, implications, and consequences." in times past that very concept was practiced, and led only to enslavement of the many resulting in crimes against humanity of the most vile kind. It is not the concept of a God fearing religion that is the danger, it is when man perverts that religion as ISIS has done, as the slave owners of early America did, and as Atheists throughout history have done.

And as you are trying to do now.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-brad-hirschfield/did-religion-create-civil_b_865500.html

 

[Ross Dolan]

Liars like you wouldn't know a "reputable" source if it stuck itself up your ass which you would probably enjoy. In any event, since you don't like any of my sources you find one that says differently.

Got the balls liar?

I thought you couldn't!

Problem solved...you ARE full of shit.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Again you demonstrate your ignorance, and desperation. I don't believe that religion should be the basis of laws. I do believe religion is the basis for morality (something you know little of). But then too, you have said nothing that speaks to "religion", or any moral issue much less the "reality of existence". Since you think of yourself as being "intelligent" I would suggest you post something related to the "reality of existence". Or are you going to rely on sheer stupidity.

Okay...as I thought.

You do not have the balls.

No big deal. I doubt anyone thought you did.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Trapper...

...read your responses to others.

Yeah...definitely you are definitely full of shit.

C'mon...grow some spine...and let's discuss the link between YOUR religion and why a woman should not be able to choose an abortion.

I mean...how much harm can you do to your position by arguing the link between YOUR religion and that position?

 

[Old Trapper]

I thought you couldn't!

Problem solved...you ARE full of shit.

Sorry little puppy boy, no matter what source I use you would say it was not a reputable one. However, you have proven not even a blind ass like yourself can ind a source to contradict it so you lie again. Live with it fool. You're just another Trumpkin.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/resour...5-we-need-abortion-in-cases-of-rape-or-incest

 

[Ross Dolan]

Sorry little puppy boy, no matter what source I use you would say it was not a reputable one. However, you have proven not even a blind ass like yourself can ind a source to contradict it so you lie again.

Ahhh...I see. An asshole like you supposes that you are allowed to make an assertion...and others have to cite a source to contradict it...or it has to be accepted as correct.

Jesus H. Christ...did you complete grammar school?

Live with it fool. You're just another Trumpkin.

I am not a fool...nor a Trumpkin.

YOU however...are an asshole.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Sorry little puppy boy, no matter what source I use you would say it was not a reputable one. However, you have proven not even a blind ass like yourself can ind a source to contradict it so you lie again. Live with it fool. You're just another Trumpkin.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/resour...5-we-need-abortion-in-cases-of-rape-or-incest

Oh, yeah...

...here is a repeat of something you are dodging:

C'mon...grow some spine...and let's discuss the link between YOUR religion and why a woman should not be able to choose an abortion.

I mean...how much harm can you do to your position by arguing the link between YOUR religion and that position?

 

[Old Trapper]

Trapper...

...read your responses to others.

Yeah...definitely you are definitely full of shit.

C'mon...grow some spine...and let's discuss the link between YOUR religion and why a woman should not be able to choose an abortion.

I mean...how much harm can you do to your position by arguing the link between YOUR religion and that position?

Hey little whining coward, I asked you to prove that rape accounted for more then 1% of abortions, and you failed to do so. I asked you to post something we could "debate" since you brought up the philosophical argument of "reality of existence", you haven't.

ALL you can do is whine, cry, and wet your diaper. You want to debate something then quit whining, and post something to debate. If not then STFU.

 

[Old Trapper]

Ahhh...I see. An asshole like you supposes that you are allowed to make an assertion...and others have to cite a source to contradict it...or it has to be accepted as correct.

Jesus H. Christ...did you complete grammar school?

No asshole, I have provided three sites that support my point, you say they are wrong yet provide NOTHING to prove your allegations. It is up to you to prove you are right instead of just whining about it. I never take the word of a proven liar like you for anything.

I am not a fool...nor a Trumpkin.

YOU however...are an asshole.

As I said before, there is no difference between you, and a Trumpkin. You're both are just as arrogant, and devoid of truth, as the other.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Hey little whining coward, I asked you to prove that rape accounted for more then 1% of abortions, and you failed to do so. I asked you to post something we could "debate" since you brought up the philosophical argument of "reality of existence", you haven't.

What you did was to post an assertion...and then asked me to prove your assertion wrong.

Only an idiot does that.

YOU made the assertion. The burden of proof for the assertion falls on you.

But I understand...you cannot cite a reputable source...so I'm not going to embarrass you any more than necessary.

ALL you can do is whine, cry, and wet your diaper. You want to debate something then quit whining, and post something to debate. If not then STFU.

YOU suggested your religion plays a part.

All I am asking you to do is to talk about that "part."

I understand that you cannot do that, because I would show it to be a crock of shit.

Not going to embarrass you more than necessary. You shot off your mouth and cannot back it up...and that happens with assholes on the Internet all the time.

We can still be friends!

 

[Ross Dolan]

No asshole, I have provided three sites that support my point, you say they are wrong yet provide NOTHING to prove your allegations. It is up to you to prove you are right instead of just whining about it. I never take the word of a proven liar like you for anything.

Reputable source.

YOU are the kind who would make a favorable assertion about Donald Trump...and then cite Sean Hannity.

Give it a break. Cite a government source...an FBI source.

As I said before, there is no difference between you, and a Trumpkin. You're both are just as arrogant, and devoid of truth, as the other.

Okay...and as I have responded...YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT.

So...about your religion!

 

[Old Trapper]

Reputable source.

YOU are the kind who would make a favorable assertion about Donald Trump...and then cite Sean Hannity.

Give it a break. Cite a government source...an FBI source.

There is no government source since the government does not regulate abortions, and information is spotty at best. Now, quit being the child and cite some source, any source, that supports your lies.

Okay...and as I have responded...YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT.

So...about your religion!

Like you said in another thread, you need to spend time at the keyboard since you have nothing else to do. I can imagine you setting there with your fat sweaty palms trying to make sense of the real world. Now, since I have better things to do I am going to leave for a spell. If you happen to come up with an intelligent thought, and something to actually debate, post it. I will be back later.

 

[Old Trapper]

What you did was to post an assertion...and then asked me to prove your assertion wrong.

No, I posted a fact that has been around since the 80's. It is your assertion that it is incorrect, yet you cannot prove it to be so.

Only a stupid ass like Trump makes assertions they cannot prove, and then doubles down on it with more lies.

We can still be friends!

None of my friends are liars, and cowards, and never will be.

 

[Ross Dolan]

There is no government source since the government does not regulate abortions...

Are you insane, stupid, or both.

I'm guessing both.

So...government does not regulate abortions>

Hummmm...who woulda thunk that.

...and information is spotty at best. Now, quit being the child and cite some source, any source, that supports your lies.

You are the one asserting it to be the truth. And, as I expected, are unable to provide a reputable source for the assertion.

No problem.

Most of us realized you were pulling that shit out of your ass.

Like you said in another thread, you need to spend time at the keyboard since you have nothing else to do. I can imagine you setting there with your fat sweaty palms trying to make sense of the real world. Now, since I have better things to do I am going to leave for a spell. If you happen to come up with an intelligent thought, and something to actually debate, post it. I will be back later.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass as you run away.

You have made an assertion...and have been unable to provide a reputable source to back it up.

Work on that. Lemme know when you have a reputable source.

This is fun. If you weren't here, OT...I'd probably try to invent you.

 

[Ross Dolan]

No, I posted a fact that has been around since the 80's. It is your assertion that it is incorrect, yet you cannot prove it to be so.

You posted an assertion.

You posted another...that your earlier assertion is a fact.

So...now you have two burdens of proof to provide.

This ought to be fun.

I suggest you take that break first!

Only a stupid ass like Trump makes assertions they cannot prove, and then doubles down on it with more lies.

No, no, no. Stupid assholes like you do it also.

C'mon. Be fair. Trump is not the only one.

None of my friends are liars, and cowards, and never will be.

I am not a liar...and I sure as hell am not a coward...so we can be friends.

Look...we are having fun discussing this issue together.

(Lighten up. You are looking like a jerk.)

 

[Nordberg]

rape and incest 1.5 percent of abortions 15,000a year https://www.focusonthefamily.com/socialissues/life-issues/dignity-of-human-life/abortion-statistics