Trump's Approval Rating IMPLODES

PoliTalker said:
I'd be curious to learn the difference between how much America puts into schools and how much the more successful education nations put into theirs.
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uh, we spend more on our schools than almost all of them.......

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https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator_cmd.asp
 
cawacko said:
It's not really an anti-government stance to say you want to improve the education system and reform it in the sense you are thinking about. You can find Libertarians that argue the government shouldn't be involved in education at all. But that's not what most people are discussing. The argument for decades has been the structure of the education system is fine, we just need more money. Then we spend more money but don't see the results we want. So we spend more money... rinse, wash and repeat. And just because the gov't spends more money on education doesn't mean it's necessarily being spent well or reaching the classroom. It's why nothing changes. It's why rich people send their kids to private schools or move to rich suburbs.

I've seen it for years in San Francisco. People have money, vote progressively but won't send their kids to diverse SF public schools. More money gets spent on the schools but nothing changes.
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agreed.......spending on schools in Detroit is higher per student than every other school district in Michigan, yet their schools are consistently the worst.......
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello cawacko,



Wo, wait a minute. At what point did we put significantly more money into schools? When did we decide teaching is important and pay teachers more than a carpenter or plumber? At what point did we put an end to poor teachers having to use their own money to properly equip their classrooms? I must have missed where we put more money into schools. And since Republicans control most of this, just which Republicans did this?
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1) school funding is first of all a local issue......
2) the DoE was started in 1980......
3) spending on education has always gone up.....
https://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/budget/history/edhistory.pdf
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello cawacko,



Wo, wait a minute. At what point did we put significantly more money into schools? When did we decide teaching is important and pay teachers more than a carpenter or plumber? At what point did we put an end to poor teachers having to use their own money to properly equip their classrooms? I must have missed where we put more money into schools. And since Republicans control most of this, just which Republicans did this?
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If you’ve missed the increased spending in education over the past couple of decades, especially in poorer urban areas, then no disrespect but that’s on you. At a certain point you have to pay attention and remained informed. (And that comment can apply to me on a number of issues so I’m not saying it holier than thou.). And if you aren’t familiar with why when spending increases yet teachers still have to pay for supplies then again, that info’s out there.

The problem is viewing this from strictly a Democrat/Republican perspective which is what you’re doing here. That doesn’t solve real problems
 
PostmodernProphet said:
1) school funding is first of all a local issue......
2) the DoE was started in 1980......
3) spending on education has always gone up.....
https://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/budget/history/edhistory.pdf
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More resources are almost always going to be better than less resources, but the reality is we don’t have unlimited resources. And to people who share Poli’s mindset it’s rarely ever about how well do we use the resources we have as opposed to no matter what we do the answer is always “we need more”
 
Hello cawacko,

cawacko said:
If you’ve missed the increased spending in education over the past couple of decades, especially in poorer urban areas, then no disrespect but that’s on you. At a certain point you have to pay attention and remained informed. (And that comment can apply to me on a number of issues so I’m not saying it holier than thou.). And if you aren’t familiar with why when spending increases yet teachers still have to pay for supplies then again, that info’s out there.

The problem is viewing this from strictly a Democrat/Republican perspective which is what you’re doing here. That doesn’t solve real problems
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Pure deflection. Doesn't answer my question.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello cawacko,



Pure deflection. Doesn't answer my question.
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No Poli, it's not deflection. Often I'm happy to post links, data and info but if you really aren't aware of the amount of money we've spent on education then it's not worth my time. If you're interested then you'll read about it. And if you don't want to read, for example, that money goes to administrators and not the classroom and that's why teachers pay for their own supplies, then again its on you.

At a certain you have to have interest in the topic.
 
Hello cawacko,

cawacko said:
No Poli, it's not deflection. Often I'm happy to post links, data and info but if you really aren't aware of the amount of money we've spent on education then it's not worth my time. If you're interested then you'll read about it. And if you don't want to read, for example, that money goes to administrators and not the classroom and that's why teachers pay for their own supplies, then again its on you.

At a certain you have to have interest in the topic.
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OK, so we agree then. Teacher pay has not been increased significantly.

That's why it is possible to find examples of welfare recipients collecting more than a teacher is paid.

Doesn't show much respect for teachers.

And it doesn't inspire talented people to become teachers.

Of course, that's not the whole problem with public education but it sure would help to have better teachers. Despair of poverty is also a huge factor in student performance. We really do have a lot of poor people in the USA. Parents who don't know how to be successful struggle to inspire self-confidence in their children, relegating poverty and lack of success to a cross-generational problem. Our public education system can hardly be expected to make up for uninspired parenting.

It's almost like it would behoove the USA to pay the parents attend school alongside their children, and to embark on a program to not only educate children, but empower parents to be more successful as well.

Maybe if we did that for a generation we could begin to break the cycle of poverty.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello cawacko,



OK, so we agree then. Teacher pay has not been increased significantly.

That's why it is possible to find examples of welfare recipients collecting more than a teacher is paid.

Doesn't show much respect for teachers.

And it doesn't inspire talented people to become teachers.

Of course, that's not the whole problem with public education but it sure would help to have better teachers. Despair of poverty is also a huge factor in student performance. We really do have a lot of poor people in the USA. Parents who don't know how to be successful struggle to inspire self-confidence in their children, relegating poverty and lack of success to a cross-generational problem. Our public education system can hardly be expected to make up for uninspired parenting.

It's almost like it would behoove the USA to pay the parents attend school alongside their children, and to embark on a program to not only educate children, but empower parents to be more successful as well.

Maybe if we did that for a generation we could begin to break the cycle of poverty.
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We were talking about funding for education, not teachers pay specifically.

Yes, there many issues that factor into our education system. It's why I say while I support charter schools, and they are an improvement to our current system, they aren't a panacea because there are factors in a child's life that are outside of a school's control such as parental involvement, poverty etc. as you mentioned. And that relates to your original point that its somehow our education system's fault that people don't vote the way you want them to.
 
Hello cawacko,

cawacko said:
We were talking about funding for education, not teachers pay specifically.

Yes, there many issues that factor into our education system. It's why I say while I support charter schools, and they are an improvement to our current system, they aren't a panacea because there are factors in a child's life that are outside of a school's control such as parental involvement, poverty etc. as you mentioned. And that relates to your original point that its somehow our education system's fault that people don't vote the way you want them to.
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Here's what I said:

"The sad part is there are still 33% who approve of his job performance.

It represents a failure of our educational system."

If we did a better job of educating our young, they would be better able to discern real news from fake news.

If nobody believed fake news we would not have President Trump.

Apparently a lot of people who previously believed him have given up on him. 33% is a pretty low approval percentage. It has been higher, although it never even went above 50%.

I'm sure some of those people are sorry they ever believed the fake news.

OAnon? Seriously? What garbage. No basis. But a lot of those capitol marauders believe the Q nonsense fake news.

And they think CNN is 'the enemy of the people.'

Guess who told them that baseless lie?
 
Port Tack said:
Hey shithead, Trump still going to be president on the 21st
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Nope. His term ends on Jan 20th.
Port Tack said:
or have you come to the realization that your shithead is done yet?
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So is the Constitution of the United States.
Port Tack said:
I haven't seen any tweets from the shithead lately, oh that's right, he's fuckin banned from there. Guess we won't hear much from the asshole anymore huh?
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Already have. You and Big Tech can't control the internet.
 
cloud9 said:
facts can be threatening to ideologies so people reject them.
a fact, being true, carries a lot of ideological power, it can be highly disruptive to an ideology the fact is contrary to.
it doesn't mean the ideology is wrong, though, it may be only superficially opposed by the fact, but still very difficult to counter.
so, smart people learn to be careful around facts.
but a dumb ideology is most dangerous of all, because it will reject a lot of important facts.
so, try not to have any dumb ideologies. :laugh:
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Buzzword fallacy. Learn what 'fact' means.
 
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