Two Calif. cities to vote on banning smoking in apartments

i personally dont care much. go ahead and smoke if u want to. think its rediculous and a waste of time and money to make people walk off the premises to smoke. adds like 5 more min to the smoke break.
 
Smoking bans are retarded. There are a few exceptions, no smoking in a prenatal ward, for example, but beyond that they are ridiculous and border on fascism.
 
Warren said:
Smoking bans are retarded. There are a few exceptions, no smoking in a prenatal ward, for example, but beyond that they are ridiculous and border on fascism.
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Smoking bans are based on science and medical evidence.

Only the retarded reject science and medical evidence.
 
Do these laws allow for filtration? Honestly, I am not against laws that do such things, so long as there is a way they can continue to enjoy their vice. The government shouldn't be into telling them they can't endanger themselves.
 
blackascoal said:
Smoking bans are based on science and medical evidence.

Only the retarded reject science and medical evidence.
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Just this morning I read that sleeping less than 6 hours a night is detrimental to the long term health of the body.

Should we pass a law mandating 6 hours of sleep per night, enforceable by a small fine?

My point is that science suggests a number of completely accurate things which we could do to improve our life. This is not the same saying that a law should be passed so that everyone will improve their life in a way that scientists or myself feel is beneficial to society.

This is the same argumentative style I use against Christian theocrats who feel that they have some right to dictate the personal choices of others.
 
blackascoal said:
Smoking bans are based on science and medical evidence.

Only the retarded reject science and medical evidence.
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And only the naive reject the economics and reality of bans. You not only restrict personal freedom, but create a black market that still serves to supply demand, while increasing the prison population.
 
Chapdog said:
where is the science and medical evidence that smoking in your private apartment harms the public?
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American Lung Association
Second-hand Smoke Fact Sheet

Secondhand smoke, also known as environmental tobacco smoke (ETS), is a mixture of the smoke given off by the burning end of a cigarette, pipe or cigar and the smoke exhaled from the lungs of smokers. It is involuntarily inhaled by nonsmokers, lingers in the air hours after cigarettes have been extinguished and can cause or exacerbate a wide range of adverse health effects, including cancer, respiratory infections, and asthma.1

. Secondhand smoke has been classified by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) as a known cause of cancer in humans (Group A carcinogen).

. Secondhand smoke exposure causes disease and premature death in children and adults who do not smoke. Secondhand smoke contains hundreds of chemicals known to be toxic or carcinogenic, including formaldehyde, benzene, vinyl chloride, arsenic ammonia and hydrogen cyanide.

. Secondhand smoke causes approximately 3,400 lung cancer deaths and 46,000 heart disease deaths in adult nonsmokers in the United States each year.

. Nonsmokers exposed to secondhand smoke at work are at increased risk for adverse health effects. Levels of ETS in restaurants and bars were found to be 2 to 5 times higher than in residences with smokers and 2 to 6 times higher than in office workplaces.

. Since 1999, 70 percent of the U.S. workforce worked under a smoke-free policy, ranging from 83.9 percent in Utah to 48.7 percent in Nevada.

. Workplace productivity was increased and absenteeism was decreased among former smokers compared with current smokers.

. Fifteen states - Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Maine, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, Rhode Island, Washington and Vermont - as well as the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico prohibit smoking in almost all public places and workplaces, including restaurants and bars. Illinois, Maryland, Minnesota, Montana, New Hampshire, Oregon and Utah have passed legislation prohibiting smoking in almost all public places and workplaces, including restaurants and bars, but the laws have not taken full effect yet.

. Secondhand smoke is especially harmful to young children. Secondhand smoke is responsible for between 150,000 and 300,000 lower respiratory tract infections in infants and children under 18 months of age, resulting in between 7,500 and 15,000 hospitalizations each year, and causes 430 sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) deaths in the United States annually.

. Secondhand smoke exposure may cause buildup of fluid in the middle ear, resulting in 790,000 physician office visits per year.10 Secondhand smoke can also aggravate symptoms in 400,000 to 1,000,000 children with asthma.

. In the United States, 21 million, or 35 percent of, children live in homes where residents or visitors smoke in the home on a regular basis.

. Approximately 50-75 percent of children in the United States have detectable levels of cotinine, the breakdown product of nicotine in the blood.

. New research indicates that private research conducted by cigarette company Philip Morris in the 1980s showed that secondhand smoke was highly toxic, yet the company suppressed the finding during the next two decades.

. The current Surgeon General’s Report concluded that scientific evidence indicates that there is no risk-free level of exposure to second hand smoke. Short exposures to second hand smoke can cause blood platelets to become stickier, damage the lining of blood vessels, decrease coronary flow velocity reserves, and reduce heart rate variability, potentially increasing the risk of heart attack
http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=35422
 
TheDanold said:
And only the naive reject the economics and reality of bans. You not only restrict personal freedom, but create a black market that still serves to supply demand, while increasing the prison population.
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You're reaching for the ridiculous.

There is no personal freedom to poison other people.

Cigarettes are readily available from your corner store and there is little need for "black market" cigarettes

How many people do you know that are in prison for smoking cigarettes. There are fines associated with smoking, not prisonn terms.
 
LOL.............

blackascoal said:
American Lung Association
Second-hand Smoke Fact Sheet

Secondhand smoke, also known as environmental tobacco smoke (ETS), is a mixture of the smoke given off by the burning end of a cigarette, pipe or cigar and the smoke exhaled from the lungs of smokers. It is involuntarily inhaled by nonsmokers, lingers in the air hours after cigarettes have been extinguished and can cause or exacerbate a wide range of adverse health effects, including cancer, respiratory infections, and asthma.1

. Secondhand smoke has been classified by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) as a known cause of cancer in humans (Group A carcinogen).

. Secondhand smoke exposure causes disease and premature death in children and adults who do not smoke. Secondhand smoke contains hundreds of chemicals known to be toxic or carcinogenic, including formaldehyde, benzene, vinyl chloride, arsenic ammonia and hydrogen cyanide.

. Secondhand smoke causes approximately 3,400 lung cancer deaths and 46,000 heart disease deaths in adult nonsmokers in the United States each year.

. Nonsmokers exposed to secondhand smoke at work are at increased risk for adverse health effects. Levels of ETS in restaurants and bars were found to be 2 to 5 times higher than in residences with smokers and 2 to 6 times higher than in office workplaces.

. Since 1999, 70 percent of the U.S. workforce worked under a smoke-free policy, ranging from 83.9 percent in Utah to 48.7 percent in Nevada.

. Workplace productivity was increased and absenteeism was decreased among former smokers compared with current smokers.

. Fifteen states - Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Maine, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, Rhode Island, Washington and Vermont - as well as the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico prohibit smoking in almost all public places and workplaces, including restaurants and bars. Illinois, Maryland, Minnesota, Montana, New Hampshire, Oregon and Utah have passed legislation prohibiting smoking in almost all public places and workplaces, including restaurants and bars, but the laws have not taken full effect yet.

. Secondhand smoke is especially harmful to young children. Secondhand smoke is responsible for between 150,000 and 300,000 lower respiratory tract infections in infants and children under 18 months of age, resulting in between 7,500 and 15,000 hospitalizations each year, and causes 430 sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) deaths in the United States annually.

. Secondhand smoke exposure may cause buildup of fluid in the middle ear, resulting in 790,000 physician office visits per year.10 Secondhand smoke can also aggravate symptoms in 400,000 to 1,000,000 children with asthma.

. In the United States, 21 million, or 35 percent of, children live in homes where residents or visitors smoke in the home on a regular basis.

. Approximately 50-75 percent of children in the United States have detectable levels of cotinine, the breakdown product of nicotine in the blood.

. New research indicates that private research conducted by cigarette company Philip Morris in the 1980s showed that secondhand smoke was highly toxic, yet the company suppressed the finding during the next two decades.

. The current Surgeon General’s Report concluded that scientific evidence indicates that there is no risk-free level of exposure to second hand smoke. Short exposures to second hand smoke can cause blood platelets to become stickier, damage the lining of blood vessels, decrease coronary flow velocity reserves, and reduce heart rate variability, potentially increasing the risk of heart attack
http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=35422
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Now all you have to do is post on second hand smoke from MJ,Crack..then move on to a post on the negatives of second hand smell from BO,perfume etc,then post the negatives on anti-war protestors vs war supporters...see who did the most damage!:pke:
 
blackascoal said:
American Lung Association
Second-hand Smoke Fact Sheet

Secondhand smoke, also known as environmental tobacco smoke (ETS), is a mixture of the smoke given off by the burning end of a cigarette, pipe or cigar and the smoke exhaled from the lungs of smokers. It is involuntarily inhaled by nonsmokers, lingers in the air hours after cigarettes have been extinguished and can cause or exacerbate a wide range of adverse health effects, including cancer, respiratory infections, and asthma.1

. Secondhand smoke has been classified by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) as a known cause of cancer in humans (Group A carcinogen).

. Secondhand smoke exposure causes disease and premature death in children and adults who do not smoke. Secondhand smoke contains hundreds of chemicals known to be toxic or carcinogenic, including formaldehyde, benzene, vinyl chloride, arsenic ammonia and hydrogen cyanide.

. Secondhand smoke causes approximately 3,400 lung cancer deaths and 46,000 heart disease deaths in adult nonsmokers in the United States each year.

. Nonsmokers exposed to secondhand smoke at work are at increased risk for adverse health effects. Levels of ETS in restaurants and bars were found to be 2 to 5 times higher than in residences with smokers and 2 to 6 times higher than in office workplaces.

. Since 1999, 70 percent of the U.S. workforce worked under a smoke-free policy, ranging from 83.9 percent in Utah to 48.7 percent in Nevada.

. Workplace productivity was increased and absenteeism was decreased among former smokers compared with current smokers.

. Fifteen states - Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Maine, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, Rhode Island, Washington and Vermont - as well as the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico prohibit smoking in almost all public places and workplaces, including restaurants and bars. Illinois, Maryland, Minnesota, Montana, New Hampshire, Oregon and Utah have passed legislation prohibiting smoking in almost all public places and workplaces, including restaurants and bars, but the laws have not taken full effect yet.

. Secondhand smoke is especially harmful to young children. Secondhand smoke is responsible for between 150,000 and 300,000 lower respiratory tract infections in infants and children under 18 months of age, resulting in between 7,500 and 15,000 hospitalizations each year, and causes 430 sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) deaths in the United States annually.

. Secondhand smoke exposure may cause buildup of fluid in the middle ear, resulting in 790,000 physician office visits per year.10 Secondhand smoke can also aggravate symptoms in 400,000 to 1,000,000 children with asthma.

. In the United States, 21 million, or 35 percent of, children live in homes where residents or visitors smoke in the home on a regular basis.

. Approximately 50-75 percent of children in the United States have detectable levels of cotinine, the breakdown product of nicotine in the blood.

. New research indicates that private research conducted by cigarette company Philip Morris in the 1980s showed that secondhand smoke was highly toxic, yet the company suppressed the finding during the next two decades.

. The current Surgeon General’s Report concluded that scientific evidence indicates that there is no risk-free level of exposure to second hand smoke. Short exposures to second hand smoke can cause blood platelets to become stickier, damage the lining of blood vessels, decrease coronary flow velocity reserves, and reduce heart rate variability, potentially increasing the risk of heart attack
http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=35422
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maybe im missing where it says that smoking in your private residence is risky to the public?
 
Warren said:
Just this morning I read that sleeping less than 6 hours a night is detrimental to the long term health of the body.

Should we pass a law mandating 6 hours of sleep per night, enforceable by a small fine?

My point is that science suggests a number of completely accurate things which we could do to improve our life. This is not the same saying that a law should be passed so that everyone will improve their life in a way that scientists or myself feel is beneficial to society.

This is the same argumentative style I use against Christian theocrats who feel that they have some right to dictate the personal choices of others.
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I don't agree with outlawing smoking in your apartment or privately owned businesses but your example is still rather dumb. You choosing to stay up late affects you only. If I have to go to the DMV to get a license and you are there smoking..you are harming me.
 
Blackflag said:
I don't agree with outlawing smoking in your apartment or privately owned businesses but your example is still rather dumb. You choosing to stay up late affects you only. If I have to go to the DMV to get a license and you are there smoking..you are harming me.
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I'm more likely to cause a car accident with my response times slowed by sleep deprivation.

ZOOMG THIS MIGHT AFFECT YOUR HEALTH WE BETTER REGULATE
 
Think of the children BF. We should outlaw anything that presents any risk whatsoever to anyone anywhere.
 
Warren said:
I'm more likely to cause a car accident with my response times slowed by sleep deprivation.

ZOOMG THIS MIGHT AFFECT YOUR HEALTH WE BETTER REGULATE
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and if you did....and if it was determined that you were overly tired and you fell asleep or whatever.,..you would be in jail for manslaughter so what is your point retard?
 
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