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evince said:
anddidnt care enough about the subject YOU PICKED to already know them

YET

you keep pretending you are to be taken seriously



you made up your mind without researching the subject


that is what a fool does


you have already lost the debate

want to pick another one?
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That's so ridiculous. You're really grasping at straws here.
And like I said, people do use "living wage" to refer to guaranteed income. So it's not like I haven't researched the topic and came across that.

Basically, you don't have a leg to stand on, so instead of attacking the argument, you're playing semantics.
 
evince said:
so you make it all complicated by taking taxes from the very people who you could have just raised the minimum wage on to make them pay a fair wage


how very lame an idea
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Like I said before, raising the minimum wage leads to selfish Capitalists just cutting hours and laying people off.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage#Statistical_meta-analyses



US movement[edit]
Main article: Minimum wage in the United States


Protest calling for raising the Minneapolis minimum wage to $15/hour. 12 September 2016
In January 2014, seven Nobel economists—Kenneth Arrow, Peter Diamond, Eric Maskin, Thomas Schelling, Robert Solow, Michael Spence, and Joseph Stiglitz—and 600 other economists wrote a letter to the US Congress and the US President urging that, by 2016, the US government should raise the minimum wage to $10.10. They endorsed the Minimum Wage Fairness Act which was introduced by US Senator Tom Harkin in 2013.[174][175] U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders introduced a bill in 2015 that would raise the minimum wage to $15, and in his 2016 campaign for president ran on a platform of increasing it.[176][177] Although Sanders did not become the nominee, the Democratic National Committee adopted his $15 minimum wage push in their 2016 party platform.[178]
Reactions from former McDonald's USA Ed Rensi about raising minimum wage to $15 is to completely push humans out of the picture when it comes to labor if they are to pay minimum wage at $15 they would look into replacing humans with machines as that would be the more cost-effective than having employees that are ineffective. During an interview on FOX Business Network’s Mornings with Maria, he stated that he believes an increase to $15 an hour would cause job loss at an extraordinary level. Rensi also believes it does not only affect the fast food industry, franchising he sees as the best business model in the United States, it is dependent on people that have low job skills that have to grow and if you cannot pay them a reasonable wage then they are going to be replaced with machines.[179]
In late March 2016, Governor of California Jerry Brown reached a deal to raise the minimum wage to $15 by 2022 for big businesses and 2023 for smaller businesses.[180]
In contrast, the relatively high minimum wage in Puerto Rico has been blamed by various politicians and commentators as a highly significant factor in the Puerto Rican government-debt crisis.[181][182][183] One study concluded that "Employers are disinclined to hire workers because the US federal minimum wage is very high relative to the local average".[184]
As of December 2014, unions were exempt from recent minimum wage increases in Chicago, Illinois, SeaTac, Washington, and Milwaukee County, Wisconsin, as well as the California cities of Los Angeles, San Francisco, Long Beach, San Jose, Richmond, and Oakland.[18
 
StoneByStone said:
https://www.epionline.org/oped/o161/
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_Policies_Institute

The Employment Policies Institute is a fiscally conservative non-profit American think tank that conducts research on employment issues such as minimum wage and health care. It was established in 1991 by Richard Berman,[2][3] and has been described as "a nonprofit research group that studies issues of entry-level employment."[4]
Employment Policies Institute does not have its own employees or office, but rather its staff work for Berman and Company, which is a public affairs firm owned by Richard Berman, who lobbies for the restaurant, hotel, alcoholic beverage and tobacco industries.[3][5][6] The charity evaluator Charity Navigator has issued a donor advisory concerning The Employment Policies Institute.[7]





unacceptable biased source
 
evince said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_Policies_Institute

The Employment Policies Institute is a fiscally conservative non-profit American think tank that conducts research on employment issues such as minimum wage and health care. It was established in 1991 by Richard Berman,[2][3] and has been described as "a nonprofit research group that studies issues of entry-level employment."[4]
Employment Policies Institute does not have its own employees or office, but rather its staff work for Berman and Company, which is a public affairs firm owned by Richard Berman, who lobbies for the restaurant, hotel, alcoholic beverage and tobacco industries.[3][5][6] The charity evaluator Charity Navigator has issued a donor advisory concerning The Employment Policies Institute.[7]





unacceptable biased source
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https://www.businessinsider.com/minimum-wage-leads-to-job-losses-2017-3
 
evince said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage#Statistical_meta-analyses



US movement[edit]
Main article: Minimum wage in the United States


Protest calling for raising the Minneapolis minimum wage to $15/hour. 12 September 2016
In January 2014, seven Nobel economists—Kenneth Arrow, Peter Diamond, Eric Maskin, Thomas Schelling, Robert Solow, Michael Spence, and Joseph Stiglitz—and 600 other economists wrote a letter to the US Congress and the US President urging that, by 2016, the US government should raise the minimum wage to $10.10. They endorsed the Minimum Wage Fairness Act which was introduced by US Senator Tom Harkin in 2013.[174][175] U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders introduced a bill in 2015 that would raise the minimum wage to $15, and in his 2016 campaign for president ran on a platform of increasing it.[176][177] Although Sanders did not become the nominee, the Democratic National Committee adopted his $15 minimum wage push in their 2016 party platform.[178]
Reactions from former McDonald's USA Ed Rensi about raising minimum wage to $15 is to completely push humans out of the picture when it comes to labor if they are to pay minimum wage at $15 they would look into replacing humans with machines as that would be the more cost-effective than having employees that are ineffective. During an interview on FOX Business Network’s Mornings with Maria, he stated that he believes an increase to $15 an hour would cause job loss at an extraordinary level. Rensi also believes it does not only affect the fast food industry, franchising he sees as the best business model in the United States, it is dependent on people that have low job skills that have to grow and if you cannot pay them a reasonable wage then they are going to be replaced with machines.[179]
In late March 2016, Governor of California Jerry Brown reached a deal to raise the minimum wage to $15 by 2022 for big businesses and 2023 for smaller businesses.[180]
In contrast, the relatively high minimum wage in Puerto Rico has been blamed by various politicians and commentators as a highly significant factor in the Puerto Rican government-debt crisis.[181][182][183] One study concluded that "Employers are disinclined to hire workers because the US federal minimum wage is very high relative to the local average".[184]
As of December 2014, unions were exempt from recent minimum wage increases in Chicago, Illinois, SeaTac, Washington, and Milwaukee County, Wisconsin, as well as the California cities of Los Angeles, San Francisco, Long Beach, San Jose, Richmond, and Oakland.[18
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Stupid. $10.10 amounts to $20,705 annually. Why not $25 an hour? If that works so well, why not $50?
 
StoneByStone said:
Like I said before, raising the minimum wage leads to selfish Capitalists just cutting hours and laying people off.
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Capitalists are selfish? What a stupid claim.

You claim you do not support a minimum wage, but want a living wage. Wouldn't that lead to the same result? I think you are very confused. Liberals tend to be that way.
 
Truth Detector said:
Capitalists are selfish? What a stupid claim.

You claim you do not support a minimum wage, but want a living wage. Wouldn't that lead to the same result? I think you are very confused. Liberals tend to be that way.
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The difference is that with a minimum wage, the business owners can cut people's hours and lay them off to save money.
I want people to have a guaranteed income and generous social programs, which will be paid for by taxing the rich. I'm for spreading wealth, I just think that a minimum wage is a bad way to go about it.

And yes, Capitalists are selfish.
 
StoneByStone said:
The difference is that with a minimum wage, the business owners can cut people's hours and lay them off to save money.
I want people to have a guaranteed income and generous social programs, which will be paid for by taxing the rich. I'm for spreading wealth, I just think that a minimum wage is a bad way to go about it.

And yes, Capitalists are selfish.
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all your opinion backed by nothing
 
StoneByStone said:
The difference is that with a minimum wage, the business owners can cut people's hours and lay them off to save money.
I want people to have a guaranteed income and generous social programs, which will be paid for by taxing the rich.
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Why can't they lay them off if they are forced to pay even more for labor regardless of skill?

StoneByStone said:
I'm for spreading wealth, I just think that a minimum wage is a bad way to go about it.
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You don't spread wealth through Government confiscation schemes. It isn't the Governments job to spread wealth. That's a moronic idea. It is up to the people to gain the skills and education necessary to make a higher rate of pay.

Government needs to stay out of the way and promote policies that CREATE more jobs and OPPORTUNITY. Liberal confiscatory Government solutions do just the opposite.

StoneByStone said:
And yes, Capitalists are selfish.
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So you think capitalism doesn't work and is about not making a profit. Dumb.
 
evince said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage#Statistical_meta-analyses



US movement[edit]
Main article: Minimum wage in the United States


Protest calling for raising the Minneapolis minimum wage to $15/hour. 12 September 2016
In January 2014, seven Nobel economists—Kenneth Arrow, Peter Diamond, Eric Maskin, Thomas Schelling, Robert Solow, Michael Spence, and Joseph Stiglitz—and 600 other economists wrote a letter to the US Congress and the US President urging that, by 2016, the US government should raise the minimum wage to $10.10. They endorsed the Minimum Wage Fairness Act which was introduced by US Senator Tom Harkin in 2013.[174][175] U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders introduced a bill in 2015 that would raise the minimum wage to $15, and in his 2016 campaign for president ran on a platform of increasing it.[176][177] Although Sanders did not become the nominee, the Democratic National Committee adopted his $15 minimum wage push in their 2016 party platform.[178]
Reactions from former McDonald's USA Ed Rensi about raising minimum wage to $15 is to completely push humans out of the picture when it comes to labor if they are to pay minimum wage at $15 they would look into replacing humans with machines as that would be the more cost-effective than having employees that are ineffective. During an interview on FOX Business Network’s Mornings with Maria, he stated that he believes an increase to $15 an hour would cause job loss at an extraordinary level. Rensi also believes it does not only affect the fast food industry, franchising he sees as the best business model in the United States, it is dependent on people that have low job skills that have to grow and if you cannot pay them a reasonable wage then they are going to be replaced with machines.[179]
In late March 2016, Governor of California Jerry Brown reached a deal to raise the minimum wage to $15 by 2022 for big businesses and 2023 for smaller businesses.[180]
In contrast, the relatively high minimum wage in Puerto Rico has been blamed by various politicians and commentators as a highly significant factor in the Puerto Rican government-debt crisis.[181][182][183] One study concluded that "Employers are disinclined to hire workers because the US federal minimum wage is very high relative to the local average".[184]
As of December 2014, unions were exempt from recent minimum wage increases in Chicago, Illinois, SeaTac, Washington, and Milwaukee County, Wisconsin, as well as the California cities of Los Angeles, San Francisco, Long Beach, San Jose, Richmond, and Oakland.[18
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this
 
seven Nobel economists—Kenneth Arrow, Peter Diamond, Eric Maskin, Thomas Schelling, Robert Solow, Michael Spence, and Joseph Stiglitz—and 600 other economists
 
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