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"I don’t know about you, but I think American children who need medical care should get it, period. Even if you think adults have made bad choices — a baseless smear in the case of the Frosts, but put that on one side — only a truly vicious political movement would respond by punishing their injured children."

Sliming Graeme Frost
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Two weeks ago, the Democratic response to President Bush’s weekly radio address was delivered by a 12-year-old, Graeme Frost. Graeme, who along with his sister received severe brain injuries in a 2004 car crash and continues to need physical therapy, is a beneficiary of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. Mr. Bush has vetoed a bipartisan bill that would have expanded that program to cover millions of children who would otherwise have been uninsured.

What followed should serve as a teaching moment.

First, some background. The Frosts and their four children are exactly the kind of people S-chip was intended to help: working Americans who can’t afford private health insurance.

The parents have a combined income of about $45,000, and don’t receive health insurance from employers. When they looked into buying insurance on their own before the accident, they found that it would cost $1,200 a month — a prohibitive sum given their income. After the accident, when their children needed expensive care, they couldn’t get insurance at any price.

Fortunately, they received help from Maryland’s S-chip program. The state has relatively restrictive rules for eligibility: children must come from a family with an income under 200 percent of the poverty line. For families with four children that’s $55,220, so the Frosts clearly qualified.

Graeme Frost, then, is exactly the kind of child the program is intended to help. But that didn’t stop the right from mounting an all-out smear campaign against him and his family.

Soon after the radio address, right-wing bloggers began insisting that the Frosts must be affluent because Graeme and his sister attend private schools (they’re on scholarship), because they have a house in a neighborhood where some houses are now expensive (the Frosts bought their house for $55,000 in 1990 when the neighborhood was rundown and considered dangerous) and because Mr. Frost owns a business (it was dissolved in 1999).

You might be tempted to say that bloggers make unfounded accusations all the time. But we’re not talking about some obscure fringe. The charge was led by Michelle Malkin, who according to Technorati has the most-trafficked right-wing blog on the Internet, and in addition to blogging has a nationally syndicated column, writes for National Review and is a frequent guest on Fox News.

The attack on Graeme’s family was also quickly picked up by Rush Limbaugh, who is so important a player in the right-wing universe that he has had multiple exclusive interviews with Vice President Dick Cheney.

And G.O.P. politicians were eager to join in the smear. The New York Times reported that Republicans in Congress “were gearing up to use Graeme as evidence that Democrats have overexpanded the health program to include families wealthy enough to afford private insurance” but had “backed off” as the case fell apart.

In fact, however, Republicans had already made their first move: an e-mail message from the office of Mitch McConnell, the Senate minority leader, sent to reporters and obtained by the Web site Think Progress, repeated the smears against the Frosts and asked: “Could the Dems really have done that bad of a job vetting this family?”

And the attempt to spin the media worked, to some extent: despite reporting that has thoroughly debunked the smears, a CNN report yesterday suggested that the Democrats had made “a tactical error in holding up Graeme as their poster child,” and closely echoed the language of the e-mail from Mr. McConnell’s office.

All in all, the Graeme Frost case is a perfect illustration of the modern right-wing political machine at work, and in particular its routine reliance on character assassination in place of honest debate. If service members oppose a Republican war, they’re “phony soldiers”; if Michael J. Fox opposes Bush policy on stem cells, he’s faking his Parkinson’s symptoms; if an injured 12-year-old child makes the case for a government health insurance program, he’s a fraud.

Meanwhile, leading conservative politicians, far from trying to distance themselves from these smears, rush to embrace them. And some people in the news media are still willing to be used as patsies.

Politics aside, the Graeme Frost case demonstrates the true depth of the health care crisis: every other advanced country has universal health insurance, but in America, insurance is now out of reach for many hard-working families, even if they have incomes some might call middle-class.

And there’s one more point that should not be forgotten: ultimately, this isn’t about the Frost parents. It’s about Graeme Frost and his sister.

I don’t know about you, but I think American children who need medical care should get it, period. Even if you think adults have made bad choices — a baseless smear in the case of the Frosts, but put that on one side — only a truly vicious political movement would respond by punishing their injured children.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/opinion/12krugman.html?_r=1&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print
 
Darla,

I can just see those wingnut bloggers up late at night, tracking down the personal information of the Frosts, hearts racing, anger building - a obsessive mission to defend george bush at all costs.

Sounds familiar, huh?



Sickos. Its really amazing that republican leadership got involved in this.
 
Darla,

I can just see those wingnut bloggers up late at night, tracking down the personal information of the Frosts, hearts racing, anger building - a obsessive mission to defend george bush at all costs.

Sounds familiar, huh?



Sickos. Its really amazing that republican leadership got involved in this.

I was watching Olbermann last night when he showed Mitch McConnell, and you know, they look insane. It is right there on their faces. It really is.
 
Would these 2 children been taken care of in the emergency room for their injuries in the car accident even if they were not part of the schip program?

What did schip give them that they would not have already had access to? I think I am missing something?

Don't get me wrong, I am not against s-chip, but I do not understand what was given to these 2 that would not have been if they were not under the program?

My understanding and support for the program is because I believe children will be healthier if they are a part of it because doctor visits, and immunizations and other various tests would be covered that don't have to go through the emergency room.

But if anyone in the usa was in a car accident and brought in to the emergency room, wouldn't they automatically be helped, whether they had insurance coverage or not?

Care
 
Would these 2 children been taken care of in the emergency room for their injuries in the car accident even if they were not part of the schip program?

What did schip give them that they would not have already had access to? I think I am missing something?

Don't get me wrong, I am not against s-chip, but I do not understand what was given to these 2 that would not have been if they were not under the program?

My understanding and support for the program is because I believe children will be healthier if they are a part of it because doctor visits, and immunizations and other various tests would be covered that don't have to go through the emergency room.

But if anyone in the usa was in a car accident and brought in to the emergency room, wouldn't they automatically be helped, whether they had insurance coverage or not?

Care
They would, Care get care regardless of insurance status.
 
Would these 2 children been taken care of in the emergency room for their injuries in the car accident even if they were not part of the schip program?

What did schip give them that they would not have already had access to? I think I am missing something?

Don't get me wrong, I am not against s-chip, but I do not understand what was given to these 2 that would not have been if they were not under the program?

My understanding and support for the program is because I believe children will be healthier if they are a part of it because doctor visits, and immunizations and other various tests would be covered that don't have to go through the emergency room.

But if anyone in the usa was in a car accident and brought in to the emergency room, wouldn't they automatically be helped, whether they had insurance coverage or not?

Care

The law is the hospital must stabilize you, save your life. Do you think that you are going to get continued treatment, and with a brain injury that includes many months of rehabilitation in an emergency room?

Also, you do realize that just because the law says the hospital has to save your life, doesn't mean they don't bill you for it right? And that they have collectors? I mean, you don't walk away from that. They will take you to court. They will attach your salary. They will get your house. You will lose everything.

Have you been listening too much to george bush Care? lol
 
Would these 2 children been taken care of in the emergency room for their injuries in the car accident even if they were not part of the schip program?

What did schip give them that they would not have already had access to? I think I am missing something?

Don't get me wrong, I am not against s-chip, but I do not understand what was given to these 2 that would not have been if they were not under the program?

My understanding and support for the program is because I believe children will be healthier if they are a part of it because doctor visits, and immunizations and other various tests would be covered that don't have to go through the emergency room.

But if anyone in the usa was in a car accident and brought in to the emergency room, wouldn't they automatically be helped, whether they had insurance coverage or not?

Care

Who pays for the treatment and therapy that is needed for weeks, months, maybe years after the accident?
 
Who pays for the treatment and therapy that is needed for weeks, months, maybe years after the accident?

This is why we'll never have universal care, becasue too many people have been brainwashed, and unless it happens to them...

This is really disheartening.

wow. George bush said "anyoen in america can get health care just go to an emergency room" and everyone clicked their heels.

Wow.
 
This is why we'll never have universal care, becasue too many people have been brainwashed, and unless it happens to them...

This is really disheartening.

wow. George bush said "anyoen in america can get health care just go to an emergency room" and everyone clicked their heels.

Wow.

I love it: the republican plan for expanding access to healthcare: Just go to the emergency room.

lol
 
BULLSHIT

A George bush lie.

Jesus Christ, I really had no idea so many people were this fucking stupid.
I take them to the Emergency Room. They would get care regardless of insurance. Pretending otherwise is pretense.

Now would he get continued care? No. But he certainly would get Emergency Care.

I answered her question, which I thought was honest. What is up with you today?

Must you constantly be dishonest about my points?
 
I take them to the Emergency Room. They would get care regardless of insurance. Pretending otherwise is pretense.

Now would he get continued care? No. But he certainly would get Emergency Care.

Gee, thanks for verifying exactly what I said.

Emergency care doesn't mean shit to anyone with a catastrophic brain injury.

Or with cancer.

No matter what George bush tells you.

And...you are BILLED. And, you will pay. And if you don't pay, and have anything, it's gone.
 
Gee, thanks for verifying exactly what I said.

Emergency care doesn't mean shit to anyone with a catastrophic brain injury.

Or with cancer.

No matter what George bush tells you.

And...you are BILLED. And, you will pay. And if you don't pay, and have anything, it's gone.

Exactly. And Bush's new bankruptcy law makes it harder for people to get out from under massive medical bills.

Honestly, of all the republican bullshit we've had to endure, I think the most sickening is the mantra of "you can just go to the emergency room". That in and of itself, I think describes the heartless and souless core values of conservatives.
 
Gee, thanks for verifying exactly what I said.

Emergency care doesn't mean shit to anyone with a catastrophic brain injury.

Or with cancer.

No matter what George bush tells you.

And...you are BILLED. And, you will pay. And if you don't pay, and have anything, it's gone.
You are welcome. Thanks for assuming what I meant and then castigating me for what I hadn't stated rather than asking for my opinion, or knowledge...

I'll be sure to give you the same consideration.

:rolleyes:
 
Exactly. And Bush's new bankruptcy law makes it harder for people to get out from under massive medical bills.

Honestly, of all the republican bullshit we've had to endure, I think the most sickening is the mantra of "you can just go to the emergency room". That in and of itself, I think describes the heartless and souless core values of conservatives.

And even with all of the sickness that is in their hearts and souls...I still wouldn't deny their children health care if they needed it.

But...I would like the opportunity to deny it to the adult supporters of this. I mean, I think Dano should be denied health care someday. People like that. The guys in DC, the lobbyists all of them.

Someday...and you never know how the worm will turn.
 
Excuse me Damo, this is Care's original post:

Originally Posted by Care4all
Would these 2 children been taken care of in the emergency room for their injuries in the car accident even if they were not part of the schip program?

What did schip give them that they would not have already had access to? I think I am missing something?

Don't get me wrong, I am not against s-chip, but I do not understand what was given to these 2 that would not have been if they were not under the program?

My understanding and support for the program is because I believe children will be healthier if they are a part of it because doctor visits, and immunizations and other various tests would be covered that don't have to go through the emergency room.

But if anyone in the usa was in a car accident and brought in to the emergency room, wouldn't they automatically be helped, whether they had insurance coverage or not?

Care
 
"But if anyone in the usa was in a car accident and brought in to the emergency room, wouldn't they automatically be helped, whether they had insurance coverage or not?"

And Darla. This was my answer:

Yes, Care they would get care regardless of their insurance status.
 
I will note, you could ask. "Would they have to pay for it?"

I will note, you could ask. "If they don't what would happen?"

I will note, you could ask. "Would they get continued care?"

I will note, you could ask.... "What kind of care would they get?"

I will note, that you didn't ask anything you just assumed my belief and then went off after that strawman is if I had said anything at all about such things.

Again, I will be sure to give you the same consideration in the future. Thanks for being so considerate.
 
"But if anyone in the usa was in a car accident and brought in to the emergency room, wouldn't they automatically be helped, whether they had insurance coverage or not?"

And Darla. This was my answer:

Yes, Care they would get care regardless of their insurance status.


Depending on the hospital, if you don't have money or insurance, all they're going to do is stabilize you. And, depending on your fortunes, they'll then transfer you to the county hospital for poor people. That's a great healthcare system.

Nobody is going to magically pay for your therapy or followup.
 
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