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[Cancel7]

I see. So now you are going to pretend that is what you were answering, but I guess you didn't notice this, which you were also agreeing to, implicitly:

"What did schip give them that they would not have already had access to? I think I am missing something? "

So allow me to answer that for you Damo, and the correct answer is not "Yes Care, they would have been given care regardless of whether or not they had insurance"

The correct answer is, this is what SCHIP gave them that they would not have already had access to:

THEIR FUCKING HOUSE, first of all. The children not only have their minds, they're not homeless. Gee, I don't think we should gloss that over, do you?

Many months of followup procedures and therapy which minimized the life-long effects of both their catastrophic brain injuries.

IF there was no SCHIP and the hospital just had to save their lives, we have no way of knowing the difference in neurological care, and neurosurgery , they would have received. Even after care, within those weeks is crucial. One can easily die from a neurosurgeon not testing for water building up on the brain suddenly, for instance.

 

[Damocles]

Depending on the hospital, if you don't have money or insurance, all they're going to do is stabilize you. And, depending on your fortunes, they'll then transfer you to the county hospital for poor people. That's a great healthcare system.

Nobody is going to magically pay for your therapy or followup.

Of course. And instead of assuming that I meant that when I said they would get care, you could have asked some questions to see, or just given information.

Instead I get. "You are stupid".

As I said, I'll be sure to give you the same consideration in the future. I thank you for your awesome assumptive powers, and the immediate castigation I get for things I did not state.

 

[Damocles]

I see. So now you are going to pretend that is what you were answering, but I guess you didn't notice this, which you were also agreeing to, implicitly:

"What did schip give them that they would not have already had access to? I think I am missing something? "

So allow me to answer that for you Damo, and the correct answer is not "Yes Care, they would have been given care regardless of whether or not they had insurance"

The correct answer is, this is what SCHIP gave them that they would not have already had access to:

THEIR FUCKING HOUSE, first of all. The children not only have their minds, they're not homeless. Gee, I don't think we should gloss that over, do you?

Many months of followup procedures and therapy which minimized the life-long effects of both their catastrophic brain injuries.

IF there was no SCHIP and the hospital just had to save their lives, we have no way of knowing the difference in neurological care, and neurosurgery , they would have received. Even after care, within those weeks is crucial. One can easily die from a neurosurgeon not testing for water building up on the brain suddenly, for instance.

Which she pointed out in that original post.

"From what I understand this program gives them access beyond that..."

Of course, you don't read that original post and just assume what I mean. I get tired of your assumptions of my opinion, and/or knowledge and will continue to point it out. And to thank you for your awesome assumptive abilities that have, so far, been invariably wrong when they are about my opinion or knowledge.

 

[Cancel7]

Depending on the hospital, if you don't have money or insurance, all they're going to do is stabilize you. And, depending on your fortunes, they'll then transfer you to the county hospital for poor people. That's a great healthcare system.

Nobody is going to magically pay for your therapy or followup.

This is a joke.

It really is a joke. I want to see how anyone here would feel about the idea of needing neurosurgery and not having health insurance.

I don't even know if you'd get it, or if they would just stabalize you and you'd die a vegetable. And if you did get it, well, all neurosurgeons are not the same.

 

[Cancel7]

Which she pointed out in that original post.

"From what I understand this program gives them access beyond that..."

Of course, you don't read that original post and just assume what I mean. I get tired of your assumptions of my opinion, and/or knowledge and will continue to point it out.

Damo, stop playing the victim.

You're anything but. You attempted to pass of an extremely false assumption, and you got called on it.

Just leave it there.

 

[Care4all]

The law is the hospital must stabilize you, save your life. Do you think that you are going to get continued treatment, and with a brain injury that includes many months of rehabilitation in an emergency room?

Also, you do realize that just because the law says the hospital has to save your life, doesn't mean they don't bill you for it right? And that they have collectors? I mean, you don't walk away from that. They will take you to court. They will attach your salary. They will get your house. You will lose everything.

Have you been listening too much to george bush Care? lol

It is called playing Devil's Advocate!!


No, Darla, I was just wondering...more on the lines of what if it were an adult without insurance kind of thinking, how it all worked?

Matt and I had gotten to the point when he was not working that we could not afford the $650 a month in COBRA for our healthcare Insurance, and were contemplating not paying it... we decided to keep paying it and basically did without good healthy food, and heat, instead.

Some good points were brought out by both you and Cypress regarding
the new bankruptsy laws and the hospital billing the families for the care and Damo mentioned that the emergency care would have been picked up by the State, probably, but the long term rehabilitative care may not have been and perhaps just denied.

What I do have a problem with regarding healthcare is that if our government does not fix the problem causing the high cost of Insurance or hospital costs... instead of just "paying" to keep the problem going, it will keep the problem going and bankrupt us as a country while lining the middleman insurance companies and hospitals pockets with gold.

It sort of goes along with healing the person and not just addressing the symptoms.

Care

 

[Damocles]

Damo, stop playing the victim.

You're anything but. You attempted to pass of an extremely false assumption, and you got called on it.

Just leave it there.

Bull.

You didn't read her post, which mentioned that the SCHIP program was for access past the emergency care. Read one sentence then assumed my opinion. You are embarrassed that you again were called out and were so very wrong about my opinion and/or knowledge. I will continue to do it as long as you are willing to embarrass yourself this way.

 

[Cancel7]

It is called playing Devil's Advocate!!


No, Darla, I was just wondering...more on the lines of what if it were an adult without insurance kind of thinking, how it all worked?

Matt and I had gotten to the point when he was not working that we could not afford the $650 a month in COBRA for our healthcare Insurance, and were contemplating not paying it... we decided to keep paying it and basically did without good healthy food, and heat, instead.

Some good points were brought out by both you and Cypress regarding
the new bankruptsy laws and the hospital billing the families for the care and Damo mentioned that the emergency care would have been picked up by the State, probably, but the long term rehabilitative care may not have been and perhaps just denied.

What I do have a problem with regarding healthcare is that if our government does not fix the problem causing the high cost of Insurance or hospital costs... instead of just "paying" to keep the problem going, it will keep the problem going and bankrupt us as a country while lining the middleman insurance companies and hospitals pockets with gold.

It sort of goes along with healing the person and not just addressing the symptoms.

Care

Where were you banned from, what does DP mean?

I don't disagree about lowering costs.

 

[Cancel7]

Bull.

You didn't read her post, which mentioned that the SCHIP program was for access past the emergency care. Read one sentence then assumed my opinion. You are embarrassed that you again were called out and were so very wrong about my opinion and/or knowledge. I will continue to do it as long as you are willing to embarrass yourself this way.

LOL

The last thing I feel is embarrassed.

 

[Damocles]

It is called playing Devil's Advocate!!


No, Darla, I was just wondering...more on the lines of what if it were an adult without insurance kind of thinking, how it all worked?

Matt and I had gotten to the point when he was not working that we could not afford the $650 a month in COBRA for our healthcare Insurance, and were contemplating not paying it... we decided to keep paying it and basically did without good healthy food, and heat, instead.

Some good points were brought out by both you and Cypress regarding
the new bankruptsy laws and the hospital billing the families for the care and Damo mentioned that the emergency care would have been picked up by the State, probably, but the long term rehabilitative care may not have been and perhaps just denied.

What I do have a problem with regarding healthcare is that if our government does not fix the problem causing the high cost of Insurance or hospital costs... instead of just "paying" to keep the problem going, it will keep the problem going and bankrupt us as a country while lining the middleman insurance companies and hospitals pockets with gold.

It sort of goes along with healing the person and not just addressing the symptoms.

Care

I agree.

 

[Cypress]

This is a joke.

It really is a joke. I want to see how anyone here would feel about the idea of needing neurosurgery and not having health insurance.

I don't even know if you'd get it, or if they would just stabalize you and you'd die a vegetable. And if you did get it, well, all neurosurgeons are not the same.

Bingo. ANY attempt to equate a visit to the emergency room, with actual adequate healthcare is beyond a joke. Its borderline evil, IMO

 

[Damocles]

BTW - Care. The State doesn't pick up the cost for Emergency Care that is not payed for. It is spread out in the cost for those who can pay.

The Executive Order that required them to provide care does not fund any of that care.

 

[blackascoal]

I take them to the Emergency Room. They would get care regardless of insurance. Pretending otherwise is pretense.

Now would he get continued care? No. But he certainly would get Emergency Care.

I answered her question, which I thought was honest. What is up with you today?

Must you constantly be dishonest about my points?

You only told half the story .. a half truth.

The child would get emergency care, but the child would still need further care. Emergency care is not intended to cure, but to make a life stable enough to get necessary care.

How can you realistically address an issue with half of the truth?

 

[Cancel7]

You only told half the story .. a half truth.

The child would get emergency care, but the child would still need further care. Emergency care is not intended to cure, but to make a life stable enough to get necessary care.

How can you realistically address an issue with half of the truth?

Now that was well said.

I should have said it that way.

 

[Damocles]

You only told half the story .. a half truth.

The child would get emergency care, but the child would still need further care. Emergency care is not intended to cure, but to make a life stable enough to get necessary care.

How can you realistically address an issue with half of the truth?

The original post made it clear she understood that futher care was covered by SCHIP, or other insurance. Did you too not read that post? I assumed that she would understand I was talking about Emergency Care because of that fact that she included extended care being covered by other insurance.

It is being dishonest to take my statement out of the context of the actual conversation and away from the context of the original post, pretending it came in a vacuum, then using that to pretend that I didn't say it because I was being misleading.

I get tired of dishonest people attempting to interpret my meaning without context that can clearly be seen, and then pretending they know my opinion or knowledge.

 

[Cancel7]

The original post made it clear she understood that futher care was covered by SCHIP, or other insurance. Did you too not read that post? I assumed that she would understand I was talking about Emergency Care because of that.

It did not. She clearly asked, what did SCHIP give them that they wouldn't have gotten without it?

 

[Cypress]

Where were you banned from, what does DP mean?

snip.

I think its that message board Maineman and I went to a while back.

I don't know if you remember me telling you: its the one where I was threatened with banning within the first ten minutes of logging on, because my handle was GeorgeWChimp lol

They're a tad sensitive about their hero over there!

I can only imagine that lame, bush-loving reason why Care got banned

 

[Cancel7]

I think its that message board Maineman and I went to a while back.

I don't know if you remember me telling you: its the one where I was threatened with banning within the first ten minutes of logging on, because my handle was GeorgeWChimp lol

They're a tad sensitive about their hero over there!

I can only imagine that lame, bush-loving reason why Care got banned

I think I remember your mentioning it.

 

[Damocles]

Read the whole of the post. She said, "I understand that this is for care further on...."

I assumed she was speaking of Emergency Care because of that post. You assumed I was talking about all care because you just wanted to. You don't want to admit it, because it is embarrassing, but it is what happened. Then Cypress attempted to come to your rescue as now did BAC. All pretending that context doesn't exist.

 

[Cypress]

Read the whole of the post. She said, "I understand that this is for care further on...."

I assumed she was speaking of Emergency Care because of that post. You assumed I was talking about all care because you just wanted to. You don't want to admit it, because it is embarrassing, but it is what happened. Then Cypress attempted to come to your rescue as now did BAC. All pretending that context doesn't exist.

I don't think "yes she would get care" was an adequate answer. That's all.

No, she wouldn't get care - care as I define it. She would get stablized. But, without insurance, I doubt they would do much in the way of diagnostics, clinical care, etc.