Virginia woman killed in 'grisly mauling' by her dogs, cops say

Shape Shifter said:
Sorry don't agree, they are too dangerous.

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You don't have to agree and you don't have to own one. Have you ever had any personal experience with that type of dog? They are not dangerous unless they are trained to be that way, neglected, or abused. But, that's any dog. You realize that, don't you?
 
TOP said:
So, there's nothing that supports that fact that the dogs were trained to fight. That's what I thought.
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The local sheriff said there was reason to suspect that the dogs had been trained to fight.

I assume he probably has better information than some know-nothing nobody like you.

Whatever.

:gives:
 
TOP said:
You don't have to agree and you don't have to own one. Have you ever had any personal experience with that type of dog? They are not dangerous unless they are trained to be that way, neglected, or abused. But, that's any dog. You realize that, don't you?
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So now tell us why you think these two mauled their owner to death.
 
There are many questions coming from experts about this case. "Dogs don't typically just out the blue attack their owners, so there is typically some kind of provocation. Was there someone else there? Were they being attacked by somebody, were they trying to defend themselves and their own from somebody else, or from a wild animal?"
Dr. Amy Learn, vet at Cary St Veterinary Hospital
I do hope they do an investigation...while anything is possible, this situation is highly suspect.
 
Nomad said:
So now tell us why you think these two mauled their owner to death.
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Because it would be unusual for the dogs to attack their owner, their caretaker, one who had raised them from puppies.
Very very unusual.
Do you have any experience with pit bulls, or dogs?
 
TOP said:
There are many questions coming from experts about this case. "Dogs don't typically just out the blue attack their owners, so there is typically some kind of provocation. Was there someone else there? Were they being attacked by somebody, were they trying to defend themselves and their own from somebody else, or from a wild animal?"
Dr. Amy Learn, vet at Cary St Veterinary Hospital
I do hope they do an investigation...while anything is possible, this situation is highly suspect.
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Yet, you provide no link to any story about these supposed questions and we're just supposed to take your "word" for it, right?

Sure.
 
TOP said:
Because it would be unusual for the dogs to attack their owner, their caretaker, one who had raised them from puppies.
Very very unusual.
Do you have any experience with pit bulls, or dogs?
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You didn't answer my question.

Why do you think the dogs did what they did?

First you say you don't believe she trained them to be violent or neglected/abused them.

Then you say they don't behave that way unless they were trained to be violent or neglected/abused.

So, which is it?

What, if anything, do you believe?
 
Nomad said:
You didn't answer my question.

Why do you think the dogs did what they did?

First you say you don't believe she trained them to be violent or neglected/abused them.

Then you say they don't behave that way unless they were trained to be violent or neglected/abused.

So, which is it?

What, if anything, do you believe?
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We don't know exactly what the dogs did or why. There is no evidence that the dogs were trained to be aggressive, or neglected or abused.
That's why the situation is in question.
I do not believe the dogs attacked her without provocation. That's why I hope they do an investigation. To find out what really happened.
Do you have any experience working with dogs? Pits or any dogs?
Why would you think they just attacked the person who loved and raised them? That makes no sense. At all.
 
I have to leave for a bit, but I'll be glad to continue the discussion later today, if you like. In the meantime, look up some info on Pits (that is a type of dog, not a breed, btw).
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
The ppl who think pitbulls are great animal companions are fucked up. The ppl who think that pitbulls are totally awesome animal companions and just like having a huge bunch of guns so you can walk around saying FUCK YOU to people with impunity are even more fucked up.

Poor woman. And poor dumb animals who were probably (hopefully) euthanized.
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its not the breed

its their treatment

Pit bulls are NOT inherently any more dangerous than any large dog
 
In a 2014 literature review of dog bite studies, the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) states that breed is a poor sole predictor of dog bites.[29] Controlled studies do not show pit bulls to be disproportionately dangerous. While pit bull-type dogs are more frequently identified with cases involving very severe injuries or fatalities than other breeds, the review suggests this may relate to the popularity of the breed, noting that sled dogs and Siberian Huskies compose a majority of fatal dog attacks in some areas of Canada.[24]
 
Notable pit bulls[edit]
Pit bull breeds have become famous for their roles as soldiers, police dogs, search and rescue dogs, actors, television personalities, seeing eye dogs, and celebrity pets. The American Staffordshire Terrier, Pete the Pup from the movie Little Rascals is a historically well known pit bull. Lesser known, but still historically notable pit bulls include Billie Holiday's companion "Mister",[76]



Helen Keller's dog "Sir Thomas",[77] Buster Brown's dog "Tige",[78] Horatio Jackson's dog "Bud",[79][80]

President Theodore Roosevelt's Pit Bull terrier "Pete", "Jack Brutus" who served for Company K, the First Connecticut Volunteer Infantry during the civil war,[81]


Sergeant Stubby who served for the 102nd Infantry, 26th (Yankee) Division during World War I, and Sir Walter Scott's "Wasp".[82]


Contemporary significant pit bulls are: Weela, who helped save 32 people, 29 dogs, 3 horses, and 1 cat during southern California's widespread flooding in 1993;


[83] Popsicle, a five-month-old puppy originally found nearly dead in a freezer, who grew to become one of the nation's most important police dogs;[84]


Norton, who was placed in the Purina Animal Hall of Fame after he rescued his owner from a severe reaction to a spider bite;[85]


Titan, who rescued his owner's wife, who would have died from an aneurysm,


D-Boy, who took three bullets to save his family from an intruder with a gun,[86]


Star who while protecting her owner was shot by police in a video that went viral,[87]


and Lilly, who lost a leg after being struck by a freight train while pulling her unconscious owner from the train tracks.[88]



Daddy, Cesar Millan's right-hand dog was famous for his mellow temperament and his ability to interact calmly with ill-mannered dogs.
 
TOP said:
We don't know exactly what the dogs did or why. There is no evidence that the dogs were trained to be aggressive, or neglected or abused.
That's why the situation is in question.
I do not believe the dogs attacked her without provocation. That's why I hope they do an investigation. To find out what really happened.
Do you have any experience working with dogs? Pits or any dogs?
Why would you think they just attacked the person who loved and raised them? That makes no sense. At all.
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What I got from the article is that 1) she was not actually the owner of the dog's, though she was very familiar with them and they with her and 2) a local veterinarian has questions about the circumstances surrounding what happened and why.

Did her father, the actual owner of the dog's, train them to be aggressive? If so, why? Did he fight them or did he train them as security/guard dogs? What might he have been guarding?

The vet raised the possibility of another animal being involved. She suggests a possible situation in which another animal might have attacked her and the dogs, and they were defending her and themselves. If so, then why would they have attacked her? Is it possible that they encountered another animal that the dogs wanted to go after, but she tried to restrain them, so they turned on her instead?

Either way, if you live a lifestyle that involves such things as dangerous, aggressive dogs and guns and tie it all together under the notion of swaggering conservative "southern pride", it shouldn't be surprising when these incidents occasionally happen.

All in all, I think it likely resulted in one less Trump supporter.
 
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