Was 9/11 an inside job?

goat said:
Flat earth is a spoof similar to the satanic bible.

Neocons such as Dick Halliburton Cheney, Paul the Project for the New American Century Wolfowitz, Larry A. buy terrorist insurance Silverstein; planned, implemented, and covered up 911. These are real life court cases with overwhelming evidence.

The crime of the century is not going away, while flat earth is a fun study on the human mind.
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The usual motive cited is that the Bush-Cheney gang wanted an excuse to invade Iraq. So they organized the 9/11 attacks and pinned them on 15 Saudis, 2 Emiratis, 1 Egyptian, 1 Lebanese, and 0 Iraqis Does that make sense?

It’s possible they were making a stab at being really subtle. Subtlety, thy name is Dubya!


Btw, the Flat Earth movement was a genuine conspiracy theory going back to 19th century England.
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
The usual motive cited is that the Bush-Cheney gang wanted an excuse to invade Iraq. So they organized the 9/11 attacks and pinned them on 15 Saudis, 2 Emiratis, 1 Egyptian, 1 Lebanese, and 0 Iraqis Does that make sense?

It’s possible they were making a stab at being really subtle. Subtlety, thy name is Dubya!


Btw, the Flat Earth movement was a genuine conspiracy theory going back to 19th century England.
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Physicists humor is to see who can come up with the most convincing equation to prove the geocentric model. They're an odd lot who get paid to make anything seem real.
 
goat said:
Physicists humor is to see who can come up with the most convincing equation to prove the geocentric model. They're an odd lot who get paid to make anything seem real.
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Tranquillus in Exile said:
“The evidence that 9/11 was an inside job is overwhelming.”
So said David Ray Griffin, the ‘Dean of Truthers’, in his “Debunking 9/11 Debunking”: page 1, line 1.

Along with most of the Truth Movement, Griffin favored Controlled Demolition. In this scenario the Twin Towers were hit by jetliners and burned for an hour or so; then some government guy threw a switch to trigger a sequence of explosions. The detonators and explosives were still in working order - even at the impact level where the collapse started - and the towers were demolished top-down.

No such top-down controlled demolitions had ever been done before, but if Griffin is right they worked exactly as planned - twice.
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Assuming the explosives were all placed at the points of impact & highest points in each tower.
 
Proponents of the controlled demolition theory say that the collapse was triggered by explosives which took out the support columns close to the impact level. Then once it started, they ask why didn't it stop - there must have been more pre-planted explosives all the way down. The implication is that explosives were used to destroy the support columns on each level in turn.

That this was their thinking is borne out by a point made repeatedly by Griffin and others. Their theory, they say, explains why the collapse occurred “at or near free-fall speed”. But this is not the case. The video record shows that the collapse was not at or near free fall. The most precise measurements were made by Frank Greening, who analyzed the video to track the motion of a point at the top of each tower until it was obscured by dust. The results are on page 902 of this paper in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics:
http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/people/bazant/PDFs/Papers/476.pdf

The North Tower fell 30 meters in the first 3 seconds, an average acceleration of 2x30 / 3^2 = 6.67 m/sec^2 = 0.68g - two thirds of free fall.
This is significantly different from 1g. The theorists “explained” something that didn’t happen.
 
Why is anyone still talking about this? Only nutjob morons buy into absurd conspiracy theories like this, or Russian Collusion. Sane people don't get sucked into such idiocy.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
Why is anyone still talking about this? Only nutjob morons buy into absurd conspiracy theories like this, or Russian Collusion. Sane people don't get sucked into such idiocy.
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Speaking of Russian collusion, some people - including the late Alexander Litvinenko - believe(d) that Putin was behind the Russian apartment bombings which killed more than 300 people in 1999.

There were some suspicious circumstances. Local police actually caught FSB agents planting a bomb, but the government said they were only practicing and the bomb was fake.

Oh yes, the motive. Putin blamed Chechen terrorists and invaded Chechnya.

Is that an absurd conspiracy theory, or is it what you expect of TPTBski?
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
Speaking of Russian collusion, some people - including the late Alexander Litvinenko - believe(d) that Putin was behind the Russian apartment bombings which killed more than 300 people in 1999.

There were some suspicious circumstances. Local police actually caught FSB agents planting a bomb, but the government said they were only practicing and the bomb was fake.

Oh yes, the motive. Putin blamed Chechen terrorists and invaded Chechnya.

Is that an absurd conspiracy theory, or is it what you expect of TPTBski?
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Utterly irrelevant to the subject at hand. Random word salad.
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
Proponents of the controlled demolition theory say that the collapse was triggered by explosives which took out the support columns close to the impact level. Then once it started, they ask why didn't it stop - there must have been more pre-planted explosives all the way down. The implication is that explosives were used to destroy the support columns on each level in turn.

That this was their thinking is borne out by a point made repeatedly by Griffin and others. Their theory, they say, explains why the collapse occurred “at or near free-fall speed”. But this is not the case. The video record shows that the collapse was not at or near free fall. The most precise measurements were made by Frank Greening, who analyzed the video to track the motion of a point at the top of each tower until it was obscured by dust. The results are on page 902 of this paper in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics:
http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/people/bazant/PDFs/Papers/476.pdf

The North Tower fell 30 meters in the first 3 seconds, an average acceleration of 2x30 / 3^2 = 6.67 m/sec^2 = 0.68g - two thirds of free fall.
This is significantly different from 1g. The theorists “explained” something that didn’t happen.
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And then there's this:


And this:

ic911.org

Twin Towers Point 8: Why Did the Twin Towers Collapse? The Physical and Testimonial Evidence - International Center for 9/11 Justice

Why Did the Twin Towers Collapse? The Physical and Testimonial Evidence.
ic911.org ic911.org
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
And this:

https://youtu.be/7rbfLLp7rBI

Note the perimeter columns at the impact level buckling inwards just prior to collapse.

I have shown this video to Truthers and they say the inward buckling was caused by explosions.
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:rolleyes: Buckling/Crumbling at the point of impact .... that's your "proof"? How does that dismiss the FACTS that I previously posted? Has it occurred to you that once the support under that point was blasted away the buckling/crumbling would accelerate? And as engineers from around the world have concluded, the weight of that collapsing section WOULD NOT have resulted in the controlled demolition of the entire buildings as we saw.
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/threads/was-9-11-an-inside-job.121234/post-6150548
 
You watched that video and you still say the collapse was initiated by explosions lower down the tower?

Your comment that “engineers from around the world have concluded the weight of that collapsing section WOULD NOT have resulted in the ... demolition of the entire buildings” is fantasy. I refer you to this peer-reviewed paper by Zdenek Bazant, a world authority in several areas of civil engineering, and three of his colleagues:


Abstract: Previous analysis of progressive collapse showed that gravity alone suffices to explain the overall collapse of the World Trade Center Towers. However, it remains to be determined whether the recent allegations of controlled demolition have any scientific merit. The present analysis proves that they do not.
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
You watched that video and you still say the collapse was initiated by explosions lower down the tower?

Your comment that “engineers from around the world have concluded the weight of that collapsing section WOULD NOT have resulted in the ... demolition of the entire buildings” is fantasy. I refer you to this peer-reviewed paper by Zdenek Bazant, a world authority in several areas of civil engineering, and three of his colleagues:


Abstract: Previous analysis of progressive collapse showed that gravity alone suffices to explain the overall collapse of the World Trade Center Towers. However, it remains to be determined whether the recent allegations of controlled demolition have any scientific merit. The present analysis proves that they do not.
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All the video shows is what starts JUST BELOW the initial impact area....NOT what was going on in the rest of the building. And of course, one would have to throw out eye witness testimony by the expert response/rescue teams on site. Funny how you label "fantasy" what you do not know. Here's more for you to deny: https://ic911.org/journal/articles/...ion-of-the-nist-bazant-collapse-hypothesis-2/
 
Taichiliberal said:
All the video shows is what starts JUST BELOW the initial impact area....NOT what was going on in the rest of the building. And of course, one would have to throw out eye witness testimony by the expert response/rescue teams on site. Funny how you label "fantasy" what you do not know. Here's more for you to deny: https://ic911.org/journal/articles/...ion-of-the-nist-bazant-collapse-hypothesis-2/
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Each tower had 47 core columns and 240 perimeter columns. Theorists who want to argue that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition need to answer two questions:

Where would the demolition charges have been placed to ensure total collapse?
How many charges would have been required to do it (dozens? hundreds? thousands?)

I seriously think that the best way to demolish a building of that design would be to cut the support columns on several stories in the upper half of the building, and let gravity do the rest. Sound familiar? Verinage demolition does that without explosives. Or airliners.



As for explosions, some of the jet fuel burned on the spot; the rest could have gone anywhere, from the impact level down to the basement. Is it surprizing that people heard explosions?
 
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