We beat the Union today!

Well I won't argue with that, because I don't know the facts of the case, but surely it has something to do with the golden "trickle down" effect your master sends your way.
It also has something to do with the ability to negotiate larger personal raises based on performance rather than one set raise negotiated by a fat jerk who doesn't really care what you make only that everybody there gets the same raise even if they are lazy bastages.
 
It also has something to do with the ability to negotiate larger personal raises based on performance rather than one set raise negotiated by a fat jerk who doesn't really care what you make only that everybody there gets the same raise even if they are lazy bastages.

You think you're employers give raises based on performance?

LOL!

Are you the managers son or something?
 
The choice here would be between an open shop and a union shop.

In an open shop you can choose not to be union and still work there. In a union shop you must, after a period of time after hire, become a member of the union.

correct. I was once a union steward in an open shop situation.
Closed shops were more prevalent in the larger NE big cities.
 
You think you're employers give raises based on performance?

LOL!

Are you the managers son or something?
I think I negotiate a larger raise based on my performance. Whether others do is their problem.

I know that my raise has been higher than the union's raise every single year by significant percentages. I know that other lazy bastages got smaller raises than the union got and they, for the larger part, were the ones voting for the union.

Socializing raises doesn't increase incentive.
 
It also has something to do with the ability to negotiate larger personal raises based on performance rather than one set raise negotiated by a fat jerk who doesn't really care what you make only that everybody there gets the same raise even if they are lazy bastages.

Yep your raise is determined by a fat jerk up in corporate headquarters that hasn't a clue what you do.
Meet a goal...
 
I think I negotiate a larger raise based on my performance. Whether others do is their problem.

I know that my raise has been higher than the union's raise every single year by significant percentages. I know that other lazy bastages got smaller raises than the union got and they, for the larger part, were the ones voting for the union.

Socializing raises doesn't increase incentive.

ZOMG LABOUR UNIONS ARE TEH SOCIALISM ZOMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111
 
Yep your raise is determined by a fat jerk up in corporate headquarters that hasn't a clue what you do.
Meet a goal...

What's our goal this week?

Can't really remember.

YOu see, US, employers are naturally fair, all understanding beings, who reward their pitiful underlings with boons for pleasing them, and quash those who displease them, in a completely fair manner.

Union are like Stalin collectivizing the Ukrainian farms, and killing everyone who performs or any intellectuals.

Yes, you see, Damo's mind is a bit like a propaganda film during the red scare.
 
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ZOMG LABOUR UNIONS ARE TEH SOCIALISM ZOMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111
No, that is not what I said.

Just as insurance companies socialize risk, so too do unions socialize such things as raises.

It doesn't mean that they are "socialism", just that they share the benefit between everybody rather than incentivizing by giving larger raises based on performance and ability.
 
What's our goal this week?

Can't really remember.

YOu see, US, employers are naturally fair, all understanding beings, who reward their pitiful underlings with boons for pleasing them, and quash those who displease them, in a completely fair manner.

Union are like Stalin collectivizing the Ukrainian farms, and killing everyone who performs or any intellectuals.

Yes, you see, Damo's mind is a bit like a propaganda film during the red scare.
And emo-boys are like four year olds screaming how unfair the world is.

Your point? Other than arguing semantics?

Again. I haven't said that everybody has the same experience as me. I have said that I personally negotiate raises based on performance expectations and the fact that I consistently exceed them by a large margin. Because I have the ability to do more for the company than two lazy bastages they like paying to keep me there and getting rid of the lazy guys who cost more in the long run.
 
What's our goal this week?

Can't really remember.

YOu see, US, employers are naturally fair, all understanding beings, who reward their pitiful underlings with boons for pleasing them, and quash those who displease them, in a completely fair manner.

Union are like Stalin collectivizing the Ukrainian farms, and killing everyone who performs or any intellectuals.

Yes, you see, Damo's mind is a bit like a propaganda film during the red scare.

good thing that cattle place in Iowa they busted for hundreds of illegal employees with fake SS cards was not unionized !
 
What's our goal this week?

Can't really remember.

YOu see, US, employers are naturally fair, all understanding beings, who reward their pitiful underlings with boons for pleasing them, and quash those who displease them, in a completely fair manner.

Union are like Stalin collectivizing the Ukrainian farms, and killing everyone who performs or any intellectuals.

Yes, you see, Damo's mind is a bit like a propaganda film during the red scare.

This contains a ridiculous amount of repetitive sentences.
 
good thing that cattle place in Iowa they busted for hundreds of illegal employees with fake SS cards was not unionized !
How do you know? The one that they did here was. The union even was upset about it and hired lawyers for them. Actively ensuring less pay for the legal workers there. Amazing how that worked.
 
How do you know? The one that they did here was. The union even was upset about it and hired lawyers for them. Actively ensuring less pay for the legal workers there. Amazing how that worked.

Liberals too often work against their own good for trivial things like "human decency", "compassion", etc...
 
Liberals too often work against their own good for trivial things like "human decency", "compassion", etc...
Compassion would be to work towards opening the borders without the necessity of breaking the law and creating a massive underclass dependent on the government for lifestyle subsidies.

As they cross the borders the coyotes have taken to imprisoning them in homes and holding them hostage until the price for crossing has been tripled or quadrupled in some cases. All the while the women are treated as slaves, often as young as 13.

We should incentivize more of that. Because that is what you see as "compassion". Rather than stopping illegal entry and opening the border we can all pretend like an emo-boy that nobody gets hurt in the illegal trade in human labor. We can have labor unions who used to protect the wage levels now working to protect the illegal flesh trade. WOW what an Improvement!
 
Compassion would be to work towards opening the borders without the necessity of breaking the law and creating a massive underclass dependent on the government for lifestyle subsidies.

As they cross the borders the coyotes have taken to imprisoning them in homes and holding them hostage until the price for crossing has been tripled or quadrupled in some cases. All the while the women are treated as slaves, often as young as 13.

We should incentivize more of that. Because that is what you see as "compassion". Rather than stopping illegal entry and opening the border we can all pretend like an emo-boy that nobody gets hurt in the illegal trade in human labor.

I knew you'd find that statement amusing. :clink:

Such a good sense of humor.
 
Anyway, let's get this back on track. This is about the amazing relief I felt. I thought I didn't really care all that much either way, that I "leaned" toward one way. Dang. I wasn't practicing much introspection...
 
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