'We have broken speed of light'
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People say they did... But all it takes is a guy in a suit and some 'bodies'. Seriously, the government couldn't come up with a better, or cheaper, way to misdirect people into looking at inanity rather than what they really try to cover. Why do you think they let people gather and gape at the experimental craft at 'Area 51'?
Absolutely no idea what this bore-on just wrote. Incoherent and so early in the evening. I give him 20 minutes till he's passed out.
Quit being such a suckup to the MUFON girls.
Litmus
Verified User
At least they're girls.
I believe in a probability of life on another planet, not necessarily what we would reconize as life. I do not believe "they" have been here, no. I certainly do not believe there is yet another, vast conspiracy to cover up these "visits".
Battleborne
Terminator
***sigh***
Did you really have a 'Crypto' clearance? In the Navy... or was this BS?...I am begining to wonder about you damo...or not..maybe mis-information..the tradition of 1947! eh?
Did you really have a 'Crypto' clearance? In the Navy... or was this BS?...I am begining to wonder about you damo...or not..maybe mis-information..the tradition of 1947! eh?
Wow. You are a nut sometimes. There are myriad conspiracy theories of misdirection at that time. Shoot, just start with the theory of Pearl Harbor... then work from there. It is not out of any sort of inane idea other than I know they'll do much to hold a secret and it is even more exciting to direct attention somewhere else.Did you really have a 'Crypto' clearance? In the Navy... or was this BS?...I am begining to wonder about you damo...or not..maybe mis-information..the tradition of 1947! eh?
Litmus
Verified User
http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/mj12.html
MJ12 Documents
One of the most controversial documents to be uncovered in the anals of UFO research is called the MJ Documents. These documents were left under Jaime Shandera home door (as I recall reading) by an unknown source in 1984. At this Mr. Shandera was a producer in the Los Angeles area and was working with Bill Moore, to undercover the secret about the UFOs. At this time, Bill Moore was working with scientist Stanton Friedman and so the three of these men upon receiving these documents did extensive research. These documents have been re- published in a Richard Hall's book, "Uninvited Quests" as well as "Crash at Corona" by Stanton Friedman and Don Berliner in 1992. Mr. Friedman believes based on other documents they found in the National Archieve that the documents are geninue and other researchers have found some inconsistancies with page number and type face of the 1950's.
My personal feeling is that the information shared is essentially correct and could have been copied and duplicated to try to show what the real documents looked like. In any case, quite a bit of information related to Roswell here seems to correspond with information found by various researchers and we share this here for your own evaluation. It seems that the events at Roswell in July of 1947 triggered off a sequence of events which began the coverup and how the U. S. government (and eventually other govenerments) decided to deal with UFOs.
This information was posted by Wright Adams on the newsnet .......
Illinois
From: aw38@wumpus.cc.uow.edu.au (WRIGHT ADAM)
Subject: The Official Majestic Twelve Documents
Date: 26 Apr 1995 17:43:15 +1000
BRIEFING DOCUMENT: OPERATION MAJESTIC 12
PREPARED FOR PRESIDENT-ELECT DWIGHT D. EISENHOWER: (EYES ONLY)
18 NOVEMEBR, 1952
WARNING: This is a TOP SECRET - EYES ONLY document containing
compartmentalized information essential to the national security of
the United States. EYES ONLY ACCESS to the material herin is strictly
limited to those possessing Majestic-12 clearance level. Reproduction
in any form or the taking of written or mechanically transcribed notes
is strictly forbidden.
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* TOP SECRET *
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SUBJECT: OPERATION MAJESTIC-12 PRELIMINAR BRIEFING FOR PRESIDENT-ELECT
EISENHOWER
DOCUMENT PREPARED 18 NOVEMBER, 1952.
BRIEFING OFFICER: ADM. ROSCOE H. HILLENKOETTER (MJ-1)
NOTE: This document has been prepared as a preliminary briefing only.
It should be regarded as introductory to a full operations briefing
intended to follow.
* * * * * *
OPERATION MAJESTIC-12 is a TOP SECRET Research and
Development/Intelligence operation responsible directly and only to
the President of the United States. Operations of the project are
carried out under control of the Majestic-12 (Majic-12) Group which
was established by special classified executive order of President
Truman on 24 September, 1947, upon recommendation by Dr. Vannevar Bush
and Secretary James Forrestal. (See Attachment "A".) Members of the
majestic-12 Group were designated as follows:
Adm. Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter
Dr. Vannevar Bush
Secy. James V. Forrestal
Gen. Nathan F. Twining
Gen. Hoyt S. Vandenberg
Dr. Detlev Bronk
Dr. Jerome Hunsaker
Mr. Sidney W. Souers
Mr. Gordon Gray
Dr. Donald Menzel
Gen. Robert M. Montague
Dr. Lloyd V. Berkner
The death of Secretary Forrestal on 22 May, 1949, created a vacancy
which remained unfilled until 01 August, 1950, upon which date Gen.
Walter B. Smith was designated as permanent replacement.
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On 24 June, 1947, a civilian pilot, flying over the Cascade Mountains
in the State of Washington observed nine flying disc-shaped aircraft
travelling in formation at a high rate of speed. Although this was not
the first known sighting of such objects, it was the firs to gain
widespread attention in the public media. Hundereds of reports of
sightings of similar objects followed. Many of these came from highly
credible military and civilian sources. These reports resulted in
independent efforts by several different elements of the military to
ascertain the nature and purpose of these objects in the interests of
national defense. A number of witnesses were interviewed and there
were several unsuccessful attemts to utilise aircraft in efforts to
pursue reported discs in flight. Public reaction bordered on near
hysteria at times.
In spite of these efforts, little of substance was learned about the
objects until a local rancher reported that one had crashed in a
remote region of New Mexico located approximately seventy-five miles
northwest of Roswell Army Air Base (now Walker Field).
On 07 July, 1947, a secret operation was begun to assure recovery of
the wreckage of this object for scientific study. During the course of
this operation, aerial reconnaissance discovered that four small
human-like beings had apparently ejected from the craft at some point
before it exploded. These had fallen to earth about two miles east of
the wreckage site. All four were dead and badly decomposed due to
action by predators and exposure to the elements during the
approximately one week time period which had elapsed before their
discovery. A special scientific took charge of removing these bodies
for study. (See Attachment "C".) The wreckage of the craft was also
removed to several different locations. (See Attachment "B".) Civilian
and military witnesses in the area were debriefed, and news reporters
wee given the effective cover story that the object had been a
misguided weather research balloon.
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A covert analytical effort organized by Gen. Twining and Dr. Bush
acting on the direct orders of the President, resulted in a
preliminary concensus (19 September, 1947) that the disc was most
likely a short range reconnaissance craft. This conclusion was based
for the most part on the craft's size and the apparent lack of any
identifiable provisioning. (See Attachment "D".) A similar analysis of
the four dead occupants was arranged by Dr. Bronk. It was the
tentative conclusion of this group (30 november, 1947) that although
these creatures are human-like in appearance, the biological and
evolutionary processes responsible for their development has
apparently been quite different from those observed or postulated in
homo-sapiens. Dr Bronk's tea has suggested the term "Extra-terrestrial
Biological Entities", or "EBEs", be adopted as the standard term of
reference for these creatures until such time as a more definitive
designation can be agreed upon.
Since it is virtually certain that these craft do not originate in any
country on earth, considerable speculation has centred around what
their point of origin may be and how they get here. Mars was and
remains a possibility, although some scientists, most notably Dr.
Menzel, consider it more likely that we are dealing with beings from
another solar system entirely.
Numerous examples of what appear to be a form of writing were found in
the wreckage. Efforts to decipher these have remained largely
unsuccessful. (See Attachment "E".) Equally unsuccessful have been
efforts to determine the methods of propulsion or the nature or method
of transmission of the power source involved. Research along these
lines has been complicated by the complete absence of identifiable
wings, propellors, jets, or other conventional methods of propulsion
and guidance, as well as a total lack of metallic wiring, vacuum
tubes, or similar recognizable electronic components. (See Attachment
"F".) It is assumed that the propulsion unit was completely destroyed
by the explosion which caused the crash.
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A need for as much additional information as possible about these
craft, their performance characteristics and their purpose led to the
undertaking known as U.S. Air Force Project SIGN in December, 1947. In
order to preserve security, liason between SIGN and Majestic-12 was
limited to two individuals within the Intelligence Division of Air
Material Command whose role was to pass along certain types of
information through channels. SIGN evolved into Project GRUDGE in
December, 1948. The operation is currently being conducted unde the
code name BLUE BOOK, with liason maintained through the Air Force
officer who is head of the project.
On 06 december, 1950, a second object, probably os similar origin,
impacted the earth at high speed in the El Indio - Guerrero area of
Texas - Mexican border after following a long trajectory through the
atmosphere. by the time a search team arrived, what remained of the
object as been totally incinerated. Such material as could be
recovered was transported to the A.E.C. facility at Sandia, New
Mexico, for study.
Implications for the National Security are of continuing importance in
that the motives and ultimate intentions of these visitors remain
completely unknown. In addition, a significant upsurge in the
surveillance activity of these craft beginning in May and continuing
through the autumn of this year has caused considerable concern that
new developments may be iminent. It is for these reasons, as well as
the obvious international and technological considerations and the
ultimate need to avoid a public panic at all costs, that the Majestic-
12 Group remains of the unanimous opinion that imposition of the
strictest security precautions should continue without interruption
into the new administration. At the same time, contingency plan
MJ-1949-04P/78 (Top Secret - Eyes Only) should be held in continued
readiness should the need to make a public announcement present
itself. (See Attachment "G".)
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* TOP SECRET *
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RENUMERATION OF ATTACHMENTS:
*ATTACHMENT "A"........Special Classified Executive
Order #092447. (TS/EO)
*ATTACHMENT "B"........Operation Majestic-12 Status
Report #1, Part A. 30 NOV '47.
(TS-MAJIC/EO)
*ATTACHMENT "C"........Operation Majestic-12 Status
Report #1, Part B. 30 NOV '47.
(TS-MAJIC/EO)
*ATTACHMENT "D"........Operation Majestic-12 Preliminary
Analytical Report. 19 SEP '47.
(TS-MAJIC/EO)
*ATTACHMENT "E"........Operation Majestic-12 Blue Team
Report #5. 30 JUN '52.
(TS-MAJIC/EO)
*ATTACHMENT "F"........Operation Majestic-12 Status
Report #2. 31 JAN '48.
(TS-MAJIC/EO)
*ATTACHMENT "G"........Operation Majestic-12 Contingency
Plan MJ-1949-04P/78: 31 JAN '49.
(TS-MAJIC/EO)
*ATTACHMENT "H"........Operation Majestic-12, Maps and
Photographs Folio (Extractions).
(TS-MAJIC/EO)
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MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE
Dear Secretary Forrestal:
As per our recent conversation on this matter, you are hereby
authorized to proceed with all due speed and caution upon your
undertaking. Hereafter this matter shall be referred to only as
Operation Majestic Twelve.
It continues to be my feeling that any future considerations
relative to the ultimate disposition of this matter should rest solely
with the Office of the President following appropriate discussions
with yourself, Dr. Bush and the Director of Central Intelligence.
(SIGNED Dwight D. Eisenhower)
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* TOP SECRET *
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EYES ONLY ../8
Battleborne
Terminator
Uh huh and you have bought the coolaid also...you were alive during WWII and were at Roswell et al...have you ever been to Roswell?(aka Area 51) C'mon damo did you really have a 'Crypto'? You can't tell humor from reality anymore...a sorry state of affairs...even though humor is mixed with reality...
Ya really need a vacation(take darla with ya)...you are trapped in the proverbial boring box....just one mans opinion mind ya...have a nice night beggining for votes though!
Litmus
Verified User
Damo's set on the spin cycle. So like a mason. It's his job. What's your excuse?
First of all, nobody has a "crypto", I worked in cryptology, as a translator... we all had several compartmentalized clearances.
I can't hear a tone of voice so I couldn't tell you were being sarcastic, but that makes far more sense than an insistence that the government never used misdirection to cover classified tech.
Battleborne
Terminator
Uh huh..............
and you know for a fact that damo is sane and I am nuts?...How predictable...go have another latte...take damo with ya!..and it's not your fault darla...you are just a girlie girl having fun in a forum...ya just got caught up in the diatribes...go out to dinner...dance and flirt a little...take a couple of days off forums...come back with a clear head..or not!
and you know for a fact that damo is sane and I am nuts?...How predictable...go have another latte...take damo with ya!..and it's not your fault darla...you are just a girlie girl having fun in a forum...ya just got caught up in the diatribes...go out to dinner...dance and flirt a little...take a couple of days off forums...come back with a clear head..or not!
Battleborne
Terminator
Yes you are partially correct.......
Crypto clearances were deleted in the eightees...all now show only 'Confidential,Secret or Top Secret'...guess I am showing my age...and when did you get out of the Navy?...I assume you had a secret or top secret clearance! If after the 1980's...
see: www.ufomind.com/area51/list/1997/nov/a18-004.shtml
Crypto clearances were deleted in the eightees...all now show only 'Confidential,Secret or Top Secret'...guess I am showing my age...and when did you get out of the Navy?...I assume you had a secret or top secret clearance! If after the 1980's...
see: www.ufomind.com/area51/list/1997/nov/a18-004.shtml
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doniston
Aint I a cutie? HEH HEH
I really woner about your oftimes automatic dismissal, as tho you words are automatically fact.I really like ya damo...however 'the truth is out there'...classified as it is for now...time will set y'all free oneday!..end of story!~
Battleborne
Terminator
Not really donny..............
I mix humor with fact...it's up to y'all to decide what is fact from humor! This is a mesage board...not the Pentagon or CIA..albeit I was associated in the past...gotta run dinner is a callin'...y'all have fun dishing me though!...
I mix humor with fact...it's up to y'all to decide what is fact from humor! This is a mesage board...not the Pentagon or CIA..albeit I was associated in the past...gotta run dinner is a callin'...y'all have fun dishing me though!...
AnglScarlett
New member
Folks, I cannot believe what I am reading on this thread? Someone has convinced the Diaper Don that he was beamed somewhere, and then beamed back so quickly that he felt like he had never left, butt of course, that is because he never did leave? I suspect from having glanced further down in this thread, that it was the scheming lefties AssFace and Battleborne who pulled the "blue dress" over poor Donny's senile eyes? What is next, those two fools convince the Diaper Don he was beamed to the Andromeda galaxy, butt, brought back so quickly he does not know he is the first intergalatic space traveler, and then send him out here to try and convince unsuspecting posters, who, may not be mensa material, of this scheme? The American people do not like lefty tricksters, and neither do I, touche.