Western Civilization is Based on Judeo-Christian Values – Debunked

evince said:
the right hates History


and science


and math


they all prove them wrong
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HM your team denies science all the time

on all kinds of things


you hate black history because its shows you are racists

you hate history that proves how failed your ideas are


the right touts an economic platform that is espoused by the Austrian school of economics which does economics WITHOUT MATH


so its all true ass smear
 
evince said:
HM your team denies science all the time

on all kinds of things


you hate black history because its shows you are racists

you hate history that proves how failed your ideas are


the right touts an economic platform that is espoused by the Austrian school of economics which does economics WITHOUT MATH


so its all true ass smear
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You spout the same old bollox over and over, why don't you go back to school and actually learn something? You know nothing about science, economics or history but are too effing stupid to realise that fact.
 
you deny global warming science which is NOW proven


you ignore the science about sexual orientation


you shits deny any science that proves you are lying




you hate the economic history of this nation that proves your view on capitalism fails over and over every time its tried


You hate black history and trash it and refuse to teach it


Your economic ideas have to pretend math doesn't exist to wrangle idiots into the Austrian fold


You hate the math that proves the economy does better under Democratic leadership


every one of those things provable idiot
 
evince said:
you deny global warming science which is NOW proven


you ignore the science about sexual orientation


you shits deny any science that proves you are lying




you hate the economic history of this nation that proves your view on capitalism fails over and over every time its tried


You hate black history and trash it and refuse to teach it


Your economic ideas have to pretend math doesn't exist to wrangle idiots into the Austrian fold


You hate the math that proves the economy does better under Democratic leadership


every one of those things provable idiot
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Do you come here to talk about politics or just start fights with people?
 
StoneByStone said:
Do you come here to talk about politics or just start fights with people?
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this is a fight stupid

a fight for facts and the validity of policy

I fight for America


you already said you hate nearly all Americans


and you deny the republican partys cheating in elections
 
StoneByStone said:
The morality of most Europeans is based on the Enlightenment, which had its roots in ancient Athens. Of course, morality has evolved a lot since then, but if we had to pick a starting point to where Western Civilization began, in terms of morality and politics, it would definitely be the Enlightenment.
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Well, it's a theory: I don't see much sign of Enlightenment thinking in most of the Europeans I know. I think Americans are used to a remarkably unenlightened form of (alleged) Christianity, which naturally distorts their view. I did Plato's 'Apology' for O Level Greek, and the more I know about Socrates, the less impressed I am. Classical societies, don't let's ever forget, were run on slavery.
 
iolo said:
Well, it's a theory: I don't see much sign of Enlightenment thinking in most of the Europeans I know. I think Americans are used to a remarkably unenlightened form of (alleged) Christianity, which naturally distorts their view. I did Plato's 'Apology' for O Level Greek, and the more I know about Socrates, the less impressed I am. Classical societies, don't let's ever forget, were run on slavery.
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Does Hammurabi's Code predate the Ten Commandments?

Scientifically the Code is seen as the first list of "laws" put down on paper(or Tablet in this case). Without going into the Christian side of history, historically speaking it does predate the 10 commandments(and there are many who argue that those commandments are simply applied from the Code.

the code of Hammurabi was written c.1780bc.. birth of Moses at 1576 BC (200 years after Hammurabi).
 
kudzu said:
Does Hammurabi's Code predate the Ten Commandments?

Scientifically the Code is seen as the first list of "laws" put down on paper(or Tablet in this case). Without going into the Christian side of history, historically speaking it does predate the 10 commandments(and there are many who argue that those commandments are simply applied from the Code.

the code of Hammurabi was written c.1780bc.. birth of Moses at 1576 BC (200 years after Hammurabi).
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is Western culture based on the code of Hammurabi?......there isn't even a restriction on murder in Hammurabi's code, other than to say if you kill someone's slave you have to pay him what the slave cost.......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
is Western culture based on the code of Hammurabi?......there isn't even a restriction on murder in Hammurabi's code, other than to say if you kill someone's slave you have to pay him what the slave cost.......
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Not true.

The Code of Hammurabi is often cited as the oldest written laws on record, but they were predated by at least two other ancient codes of conduct from the Middle East. The earliest, created by the Sumerian ruler Ur-Nammu of the city of Ur, dates all the way back to the 21st century B.C., and evidence also shows that the Sumerian Code of Lipit-Ishtar of Isin was drawn up nearly two centuries before Hammurabi came to power. These earlier codes both bear a striking resemblance to Hammurabi’s commands in their style and content, suggesting they may have influenced one another or perhaps even derived from a similar source.

2. The Code included many bizarre and gruesome forms of punishment.
Hammurabi’s Code is one of the most famous examples of the ancient precept of “lex talionis,” or law of retribution, a form of retaliatory justice commonly associated with the saying “an eye for an eye.”

Under this system, if a man broke the bone of one his equals, his own bone would be broken in return. Capital crimes, meanwhile, were often met with their own unique and grisly death penalties. If a son and mother were caught committing incest, they were burned to death; if a pair of scheming lovers conspired to murder their spouses, both were impaled. Even a relatively minor crime could earn the offender a horrific fate. For example, if a son hit his father, the Code demanded the boy’s hands be “hewn off.”

For crimes that could not be proven or disproven with hard evidence (such as claims of sorcery), the Code allowed for a “trial by ordeal”—an unusual practice where the accused was placed in a potentially deadly situation as a way of determining innocence. The Code notes that if an accused man jumps into the river and drowns, his accuser “shall take possession of his house.” However, if the gods spared the man and allowed him to escape unhurt, the accuser would be executed, and the man who jumped in the river would receive his house.


3. The laws varied according to social class and gender.
Hammurabi’s Code took a brutal approach to justice, but the severity of criminal penalties often depended on the identity of both the lawbreaker and the victim. While one law commanded, “If a man knock out the teeth of his equal, his teeth shall be knocked out,” committing the same crime against a member of a lower class was punished with only a fine.

Other rank-based penalties were even more significant. If a man killed a pregnant “maid-servant,” he was punished with a monetary fine, but if he killed a “free-born” pregnant woman, his own daughter would be killed as retribution. The Code also listed different punishments for men and women with regard to marital infidelity. Men were allowed to have extramarital relationships with maid-servants and slaves, but philandering women were to be bound and tossed into the Euphrates along with their lovers.

4. The Code established a minimum wage for workers.
Hammurabi’s Code was surprisingly ahead of its time when it came to laws addressing subjects like divorce, property rights and the prohibition of incest, but perhaps most progressive of all was a stipulation mandating an ancient form of minimum wage.

Several edicts in the Code referenced specific occupations and dictated how much the workers were to be paid. Field laborers and herdsmen were guaranteed a wage of “eight gur of corn per year,” and ox drivers and sailors received six gur. Doctors, meanwhile, were entitled to 5 shekels for healing a freeborn man of a broken bone or other injury, but only three shekels for a freed slave and two shekels for a slave.


5. The Code includes one of the earliest examples of the presumption of innocence.

While it’s notorious for its catalogue of barbaric punishments, Hammurabi’s Code also set several valuable legal precedents that have survived to this day. The compendium is among the earliest legal documents to put forth a doctrine of “innocent until proven guilty.”

In fact, the Code places the burden of proof on the accuser in extreme fashion when it says, “If any one bring an accusation of any crime before the elders, and does not prove what he has charged, he shall, if it be a capital offense charged, be put to death.” The Code also includes a modern take on judicial procedures. For example, when two parties had a dispute, legal protocol allowed them to bring their case before a judge and provide evidence and witnesses to back up their claims.

https://www.history.com/news/8-things-you-may-not-know-about-hammurabis-code


"What crimes did the code of Hammurabi identify?"it mentions nearly anything we call a crime today:

- murder (=killing without a war-situation, without defending the own life, and without a judge ordering a death-penality) of men by men (or wife)

http://www.answers.com/Q/What_crimes_did_the_code_of_hammurabi_idenity
 
The Egyptian Book of the Dead, the Hittite Code and the Hammurabi Code are all far older than the Ten Commandments and all differentiate between murder and killing in a war..
 
iolo said:
Well, it's a theory: I don't see much sign of Enlightenment thinking in most of the Europeans I know. I think Americans are used to a remarkably unenlightened form of (alleged) Christianity, which naturally distorts their view. I did Plato's 'Apology' for O Level Greek, and the more I know about Socrates, the less impressed I am. Classical societies, don't let's ever forget, were run on slavery.
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Don't get me wrong, most people fail to live up to our European heritage. Europeans have Enlightenment morality in that they believe in freedom of speech, but many of them still support laws against "hate speech." We're still moving away from Christianity and towards Enlightenment thinking. There are hills and valleys, and sometimes total hypocrisy. But we're still closer to the Enlightenment than we are to the Middle Ages.
The Enlightenment was based on ancient Athenian ideas, but also expanded those ideas. We all accept that Athens was far from perfect, but we agree with their concepts of free speech, opposition to slavery, and equality under the law.
 
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