Western Civilization is Based on Judeo-Christian Values – Debunked

kudzu said:
What a child you are.. Changing quotes and telling lies is all you've got.
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look....we all know that you are stupid and that you think highly of yourself........changing your posts just points out how incredibly stupid you are.......the code of Hammurabi is not the foundation of western culture........you have to be incredibly stupid to even think it is........yet you've been trying to make that argument for three pages........it seriously is time for you to blow your fucking brains out...........
 
PostmodernProphet said:
look....we all know that you are stupid and that you think highly of yourself........changing your posts just points out how incredibly stupid you are.......the code of Hammurabi is not the foundation of western culture........you have to be incredibly stupid to even think it is........yet you've been trying to make that argument for three pages........it seriously is time for you to blow your fucking brains out...........
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Both the Hittite Code and the Code of Hammurabi are much older than Mosaic Law.
 
God advises us to submit to “governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established” (Romans 13:1).

We are further advised in the Bible that rebelling against authority is rebelling against God (Romans 13:2).

“Slaves, submit yourselves to your master with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.” (1 Peter 2:18)
 
PostmodernProphet said:
thanks......
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God ordered death for the following sins and people.

1. Murder (Ex 21:12,14)(Lev 24:17,21)(Num 35:16-21,30-31)
2. Kidnapping (Ex 21:16)(Deut 24:7)
3. Child sacrifice (Lev 20:2)
4. Both the man and woman who commit adultery (Lev 20:10)(Deut 22:22-24)
5. Rape (Deut 22:25)
6. Daughter of a priest who became a prostitute (Lev 21:9)
7. An idolater (Ex 22:20)(Deut 17:2-5)(Num 25:1-5)
8. Breaking the Sabbath (Ex 31:14)(Ex 35:2)(Num 15:32-36)
9. A woman having sex before marriage (Deut 22:21-22)
10. Homosexuality (Lev 20:13)
11. A man and his father's wife who have sex (Lev 20:11)
12. A man and daughter-in-law who have sex (Lev 20:12)
13. A man who marries a woman and her mother (all 3 must die) (Lev 20:14)
14. Bestiality (Sex with an animal) (Ex 22:19)(Lev 20:15-16)
15. A false prophet (Deut 13:5)(Deut 18:20)
16. A false witness (Deut 19:16-21)
17. A disobedient son (Deut 21:18-21)
18. A child who strikes his father or mother (Ex 21:15)
19. A child who curses his father or mother (Ex 21:17)(Lev 20:9)
20. Men who are fighting and hit a pregnant woman, causing her lose her baby (Ex 21:22-25) ***Note: A good verse to use against those who are pro-abortion
21. A man whose ox kills someone after previously goring other people (Ex 21:28-29)
22. A sorceress (Ex 22:18)
23. A medium or spiritist (Lev 20:27)
24. A brother, son, daughter, wife, or friend who entices you to go after other gods (Deut 13:6-11)
25. Everyone in any town that entices people to go after other gods (Deut 13:12-15)
26. A blasphemer (Lev 24:10-16,23)
27. Anyone who failed to abide by a decision of the court (Deut 17:8-12)
28. Any non-Levite who tried to set up or take down the Tabernacle (Num 1:51)
 
kudzu said:
God ordered death for the following sins and people.

1. Murder (Ex 21:12,14)(Lev 24:17,21)(Num 35:16-21,30-31)
2. Kidnapping (Ex 21:16)(Deut 24:7)
3. Child sacrifice (Lev 20:2)
4. Both the man and woman who commit adultery (Lev 20:10)(Deut 22:22-24)
5. Rape (Deut 22:25)
6. Daughter of a priest who became a prostitute (Lev 21:9)
7. An idolater (Ex 22:20)(Deut 17:2-5)(Num 25:1-5)
8. Breaking the Sabbath (Ex 31:14)(Ex 35:2)(Num 15:32-36)
9. A woman having sex before marriage (Deut 22:21-22)
10. Homosexuality (Lev 20:13)
11. A man and his father's wife who have sex (Lev 20:11)
12. A man and daughter-in-law who have sex (Lev 20:12)
13. A man who marries a woman and her mother (all 3 must die) (Lev 20:14)
14. Bestiality (Sex with an animal) (Ex 22:19)(Lev 20:15-16)
15. A false prophet (Deut 13:5)(Deut 18:20)
16. A false witness (Deut 19:16-21)
17. A disobedient son (Deut 21:18-21)
18. A child who strikes his father or mother (Ex 21:15)
19. A child who curses his father or mother (Ex 21:17)(Lev 20:9)
20. Men who are fighting and hit a pregnant woman, causing her lose her baby (Ex 21:22-25) ***Note: A good verse to use against those who are pro-abortion
21. A man whose ox kills someone after previously goring other people (Ex 21:28-29)
22. A sorceress (Ex 22:18)
23. A medium or spiritist (Lev 20:27)
24. A brother, son, daughter, wife, or friend who entices you to go after other gods (Deut 13:6-11)
25. Everyone in any town that entices people to go after other gods (Deut 13:12-15)
26. A blasphemer (Lev 24:10-16,23)
27. Anyone who failed to abide by a decision of the court (Deut 17:8-12)
28. Any non-Levite who tried to set up or take down the Tabernacle (Num 1:51)
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take it up with an orthodox Jew........Jesus changed all that by dying on the cross.......
John 8:10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

11 “No one, sir,” she said.

“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”
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PostmodernProphet said:
take it up with an orthodox Jew........Jesus changed all that by dying on the cross.......
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Depends which part of the Bible you're reading. Jesus also says that he hasn't come to change any of the Jewish laws.

The point is that Western Civilization doesn't come from any parts of the Bible.
 
StoneByStone said:
Jesus also says that he hasn't come to change any of the Jewish laws.
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sorry but that isn't true......he specifically came to fulfill the Levitical Codes of righteousness through sacrifice........he did not change the Mosaic Code.....

Depends which part of the Bible you're reading
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you should have read ALL the parts.......then you wouldn't have made that mistake......

The point is that Western Civilization doesn't come from any parts of the Bible.
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true, actually......from what I see today, most of western civilization comes from rejecting any parts of the Bible......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
sorry but that isn't true......he specifically came to fulfill the Levitical Codes of righteousness through sacrifice........he did not change the Mosaic Code.....
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And he made it clear that by sacrificing himself (to himself?) he is not doing away with the original Jewish laws. God still hates fags and pork.
 
StoneByStone said:
And he made it clear that by sacrificing himself (to himself?) he is not doing away with the original Jewish laws. God still hates fags and pork.
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sorry......you simply do not understand scripture.......there are actually three different kinds of "original Jewish laws"..........there are the Ten Commandments.......and there are the temple rituals of cleanliness.........and there is a civil code......the New Testament passage you refer to spoke of "the law and the prophets"........that is the term used to describe the Ten Commandments, also known as the Mosaic Code......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
sorry......you simply do not understand scripture.......there are actually three different kinds of "original Jewish laws"..........there are the Ten Commandments.......and there are the temple rituals of cleanliness.........and there is a civil code......the New Testament passage you refer to spoke of "the law and the prophets"........that is the term used to describe the Ten Commandments, also known as the Mosaic Code......
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If you want to interpret it that way, sure thing.
Let's be real here. You don't want to do all of the crazy things that the Old Testament demands. That's why you're purposely misinterpreting what (((Jesus))) said.
And by the way, there isn't just one passage that claims the old Jewish laws are still valid. There are many. But you'd have to read the Bible to know that.
 
StoneByStone said:
If you want to interpret it that way, sure thing.
Let's be real here. You don't want to do all of the crazy things that the Old Testament demands. That's why you're purposely misinterpreting what (((Jesus))) said.
And by the way, there isn't just one passage that claims the old Jewish laws are still valid. There are many. But you'd have to read the Bible to know that.
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no......lets be clear......you are an atheist......you do not understand Christianity and you lie about it consistently......I don't mind if you're ignorant about scripture.......I don't care either way if you go hell or not......but I will continue to point out your errors so none of our readers are mislead by your posts......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
no......lets be clear......you are an atheist......you do not understand Christianity and you lie about it consistently......I don't mind if you're ignorant about scripture.......I don't care either way if you go hell or not......but I will continue to point out your errors so none of our readers are mislead by your posts......
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We're both Atheists.
I know scripture better than you. You didn't even know that there were multiple passages where Jesus confirms that the Jewish laws still stand.
 
StoneByStone said:
We're both Atheists.
I know scripture better than you. You didn't even know that there were multiple passages where Jesus confirms that the Jewish laws still stand.
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no....we aren't......you deny the existence of deity and I do not........I know what the Bible says, I simply ignore what atheists say the Bible says......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
no....we aren't......you deny the existence of deity and I do not........I know what the Bible says, I simply ignore what atheists say the Bible says......
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I'm not denying the existence of gods. I'm just accepting there is no evidence yet, so there is no real reason to believe in gods.
You know the Biblical stories aren't true, but you want them to be, so you're trying to convince yourself they're real. Maybe you feel they're real, because of childhood conditioning, but you still know they're not.

and strangely, you think there aren't some people who deserve an eternity in hell.......
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Whether or not some people deserve it is besides the point. There is no evidence that hell is real.
The Catholic Church invented hell as a place of eternal punishment for cucks who hate that other people are more successful than them. The fact that most Christians don't know that hell isn't described that way in the Bible just shows how little they know about their own religion.
 
StoneByStone said:
I'm not denying the existence of gods. I'm just accepting there is no evidence yet, so there is no real reason to believe in gods.
You know the Biblical stories aren't true, but you want them to be, so you're trying to convince yourself they're real. Maybe you feel they're real, because of childhood conditioning, but you still know they're not.



Whether or not some people deserve it is besides the point. There is no evidence that hell is real.
The Catholic Church invented hell as a place of eternal punishment for cucks who hate that other people are more successful than them. The fact that most Christians don't know that hell isn't described that way in the Bible just shows how little they know about their own religion.
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Here's an interesting discussion on the development of hell.


The Church's Development
of the Hell Myth


The myth of hell developed steadily after Yeshua's death in 30 CE, but it does not appear in the Old Testament, the New Testament, Yeshua's teachings, the Acts of the Apostles, Paul's epistles, or the other epistles in the canon.

The explanation of how it developed in the church follows.

Paul and the early church had a dilemma. The Jewish Yeshua and those in the Jerusalem church, especially James, Yeshua's brother, held a traditional conception of the Messiah. The Messiah would be a man, perhaps descended from David, who would be anointed by God to rout the occupying army, the Romans, and establish an earthly kingdom of God (or Kingdom of Israel). It would be presided over by God's elect, but God would be the supreme ruler. It would be a theocracy. Some envisioned a new Kingdom of Heaven separate from the earth.

The 12 tribes of Israel would be the citizens and beneficiaries of this kingdom. All Jews in the Diaspora would move to Israel. Some believed all other people on Earth would live normally, but be so drawn by the quality of life in the Jewish kingdom of God that they would convert and eventually, all of humanity would be Jewish. Others believed the rest of humankind would be eliminated, leaving only the Jews.

"Salvation," then, meant being saved from Roman occupation and being part of the kingdom of God; there was no conversion involved with the Jewish messiah.

It was salvation for Jews only. Yeshua was thoroughly Jewish, was bringing a message to the Jews exclusively (Matthew 10:5-6 and 15:24), had Jewish disciples, and first had a following after his death established in Jerusalem as a Jewish sect awaiting the return of the Jewish Messiah to establish the Jewish Kingdom of Israel.

Yeshua never thought of starting a new religion and never thought of converting non-Jews to become Jews.

Yeshua's followers believed, when he was alive, that he was the Messiah promised by God for Israel, who would deliver Judea from the Roman occupation. When Yeshua was executed by the Romans, the executioners wrote "King of the Jews" on a placard, showing that the common conception among his followers, the Jews who condemned him, and the Romans who executed him, was that Yeshua was claiming to be the Messiah who would establish an Earthly kingdom of God.

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http://30ce.com/developmentofhell.htm
 
There’s No Such Thing as Judeo-Christian Values


The label “Judeo-Christian” tends to assume, at the expense of Judaism, that Christians and Jews believe essentially the same things.


Let’s be clear: Far from “sharing” one tradition, Orthodox Jews are prohibited from marrying Christians, setting foot inside a Christian church—and we can’t even drink from an open bottle of kosher wine that has been used by a Christian. We reject the Christian idea of salvation, we abhor Christian divine teachings on every subject, and we are repulsed and outraged by incessant attempts by Christian missionaries to bring us into their fold.


https://www.jewishpress.com/blogs/y...h-thing-as-judeo-christian-values/2013/12/26/
 
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