What does the New Testament say about homosexuality? Short answer: "Nothing"

gmark77 said:
Let me say it very slowly for you:

1. You think sexual attraction is a matter of choice for gay people.
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Is sexual attraction likewise a matter of choice for miserable people??

But to respond to your accusation: It doesn't matter what I think; I've already explained to you why this particular fixation of yours is irrelevant. For sake of moving past this fixation of yours, regardless of whether your fixation is correct or not, I'll just grant you your position that there are in fact some men in existence who are helplessly attracted to other men (meaning that they will only ever see and think about other men "in that way") ... SO WHAT?

As I've already said previously, it doesn't matter whether or not one is capable of controlling what specific desires one experiences. What matters instead is how one chooses to respond to the presence of those desires. How one chooses to respond to one's desires is the exact same regardless of whether or not one has any control over initially experiencing said desires.

For instance, you don't HAVE to actually steal money from your brother simply because you experience a desire to do so. You can instead FLEE from your desire to commit theft. Likewise, a man doesn't HAVE to have sex with another man simply because he experiences a desire to do so. It's all about how you choose to respond to the desires that you are experiencing. If you find that you struggle with following God's will, then pray to God and ask him to help you follow his will for your life rather than getting caught up in your own (often misguided) desires.
gmark77 said:
2. You don't feel like YOU had to make a choice to be straight
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See my response #1. I've already explained to you why whether or not I happen to have any control over experiencing sexual desires about women (or even about other men) is irrelevant.
gmark77 said:
3. ERGO: You believe gay people were born with the requirement to choose their sexuality but you were born "normal" and didn't have to choose.
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Why are you under the impression that I'm not gay? Rather, I consider homosexuality (men lusting after and having sex with other men) to be an abomination unto God, as the Bible says that it is.

This isn't about "sexuality". This isn't about "being able to choose the specific desires that one experiences". This is about choosing how one responds to the presence of those desires.

IOW, this isn't about "being (identifying as) a thief". This isn't about "being able to choose whether or not I experience a desire to steal from others". This is about choosing how I respond to the presence of a desire to steal from others. Do I succumb to my desire and steal $100 from grandma? ORRRR do I resist (or otherwise flee away from) my desire to steal from grandma, choosing to instead visit grandma on a day that I'm not angry at her?
gmark77 said:
4. God decrees that gay relations are an "abomination"
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Incorrect. God is actually very pleased with gay relations. Rather, it is homosexuality that God considers to be an abomination.
gmark77 said:
What this means is you worship a God who put a stumbling block in front of gay people that he didn't force you to have to go over.
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Incorrect. God does NOT tempt people to sin. (James 1:13)
gmark77 said:
Yet we are told this God loves all people and would NEVER create someone for the express purposes of torturing them forever.
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He DOES. For the sake of reconciling humanity with him, he came down to Earth, was born of a virgin, lived a completely sinless life, was wrongfully persecuted for it, and willingly suffered a wholly undeserved and unfathomably cruel torture and crucifixion. If that's not true love, then I don't know what is.
gmark77 said:
That makes your God logically inconsistent.
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Your logical fallacies are your own fault, not God's.
 
gfm7175 said:
@Into the Night Did she finally get something correct?
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Kind of. In this battle, she lost.

If she denies the Spirit long enough, the battle will be over. She cannot escape the consequences of her choice.

In my opinion, it's not a battle between flesh and spirit. The two are meant to coexist. The body is a vehicle for the Spirit. Learn to drive it well and you will benefit. Crash it enough times, and you will suffer.
 
gfm7175 said:
I directly answered your question re: when I decided to be straight, even "taking you to school" on it, and you know it, which is why you continue to pretend that I never did so.

I've already explained to you how/why so-called "being straight" or so-called "being homosexual" is irrelevant. What matters instead is one's actions (more specifically, how one responds to one's desires/temptations), rather than the mere existence of the desires/temptations themselves.

IOW, you keep fixating on the fact that there happens to be some men in existence who happen to experience sexual desires towards other men. I agree with you there, but so what? The issue isn't with the presence of the desire itself, but rather how one CHOOSES to respond to the presence of the desire. Those men can choose to have sex with other men, succumbing to their desire, or they can choose to NOT have sex with other men, fleeing from their desire. The choice is theirs.

If they keep succumbing to a sin that they don't wish to succumb to (and feel guilty about it), then they can pray to God, repent of their sin, and ask God to provide his Holy Spirit to indwell them and give them the strength to resist future temptation to sin.

Let's say that, for whatever reason, you experience a desire to steal money from your brother. Are you telling me that, because of that desire's existence, you now have no choice but to steal money from your brother?

Like I've been repeatedly saying to you, it doesn't matter whether or not one is capable of controlling the specific desires that one experiences. What matters instead is how one chooses to respond to the presence of those desires. --- You don't HAVE to steal money from your brother simply because you experience a desire to do so. Likewise, a man doesn't HAVE to have sex with another man simply because he experiences a desire to do so. It's all about how you choose to respond to the desire. If you struggle with following God's will, then ask God to help you do so.

I've already told you why. There is nothing good/fruitful that results from homosexuality and it only leads to physical and spiritual harm. I'd rather feel gay instead of feeling miserable.

You've been consistently asserting that it is there for others, and I have agreed with you.

Right. That desire belongs to THEM; only THEY can choose how to respond to it. I have no control over their choices; I only have control over my own.

Assigning bogus positions to me, eh? I already told you about some temptations that I have faced, how I've struggled with them, and what I've ultimately learned from struggling with them.

I'm not. I've already made this quite clear by explaining how I've likewise struggled with my own desires and temptations.

Incorrect. "The Divine" didn't cause you to choose your own will over his; YOU caused it.

It truly is! It makes me feel very gay inside knowing that I have a Savior who lived the perfect life that I was incapable of living, yet CHOSE to suffer death on a cross in MY place for MY sins, and resurrected from the dead, defeating death, so that now (by grace, through faith) I have access to eternal life with him.

I've already explained to you why it doesn't matter how one is born. I didn't know that there was a "right" or "wrong" way to be born. What's the "right" way?
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that moralism is not it either.

gay is fine.

its the genital mutilatin/ pedo at the end of the rainbow that I have a problem with.


this is a new thing.

regular old gay / lez is fine.

but Dems called Gays against groomers a hate group.

I'm just a liberal and not a literal Nazi eugenicist like Dems, sterilizing gays.
 
Sammy Jankis said:
that moralism is not it either.
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???????
Sammy Jankis said:
gay is fine.
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Indeed. Being happy is much better than being miserable.
Sammy Jankis said:
its the genital mutilatin/ pedo at the end of the rainbow that I have a problem with.
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Agreed.
Sammy Jankis said:
this is a new thing.
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That is "this"?
Sammy Jankis said:
regular old gay / lez is fine.
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Homosexuality (men having sex with other men) is not fine; it is an abomination unto God. It is unfruitful and destructive behavior.
Sammy Jankis said:
but Dems called Gays against groomers a hate group.
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Dems are stupid. Dems THEMSELVES are a hate group.
Sammy Jankis said:
I'm just a liberal and not a literal Nazi eugenicist like Dems, sterilizing gays.
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:cruisewhat:
 
gfm7175 said:
???????

Indeed. Being happy is much better than being miserable.

Agreed.

That is "this"?

Homosexuality (men having sex with other men) is not fine; it is an abomination unto God. It is unfruitful and destructive behavior.

Dems are stupid. Dems THEMSELVES are a hate group.

:cruisewhat:
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when did you decide to be trans?
 
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