What is hell?

Dutch Uncle said:
NDE early in my Junior year of HS.
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Near Death Experience?

That's not particularly impressive as a piece of evidence. I've done shrooms and I hallucinated as well.

When one's body is threatened with imminent death one can easily assume that the neural circuits are going to fritz out a bit.

Did I see beyond space and time when I did the shrooms or did I just hallucinate.

My money is on hallucination.

If you wish to base your faith on that that's cool. It's your faith.

Enjoy it.

 
ZenMode said:
I assumed nothing. Some animals cooperate and others don't. Irrelevant to a conversation about morality.
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But it's not irrelevant. Animal cooperation implies social development in the animal. Those animals who require cooperation develop a form of "morality" in that there are actions that they are forbidden from carrying out for the greater good of the social safety net.

If animals are lone predators there is no reason for them to have actions which carry any other imperative than the IMMEDIATE and PERSONAL protection of the individual.
 
Daylight63 said:
Near Death Experience?
That's not particularly impressive as a piece of evidence. I've done shrooms and I hallucinated as well.

When one's body is threatened with imminent death one can easily assume that the neural circuits are going to fritz out a bit.

Did I see beyond space and time when I did the shrooms or did I just hallucinate.
My money is on hallucination.

If you wish to base your faith on that that's cool. It's your faith.
Enjoy it.
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There's no evidence of magic, the supernatural or the afterlife. It's all anecdotal. You should have gone to college, Perry. Maybe you'd have learned about this stuff.

My life wasn't threatened during the NDE.

Hallucination. I've explored the differences with altered states of consciousness.

What faith are you assuming I have, Perry?
 
Daylight63 said:
That's highly doubtful.



Knock yerself out, since I don't have any socks it should be a quickie for you.



I'm not howling in anger. So far the ONLY person who blathers on about anger is YOU. You seem to want people to be angry. I guess that makes you a troll?



So because someone wrote down something you think that's the ONLY source of that information? Interestingly poor reasoning on your part.



And you know this evidence of absence...HOW?

And you assume the ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE is EVIDENCE OF ABSENCE?

Again, weak reasoning. I guess I shouldn't be surprised at how shitty your logic usually is.
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Okay, I'm glad we've established that for all their anger at Christianity, American atheists largely owe their moral conscience to a cultural memory of the Christian Bible.

It only took me five years to get that confession. A bevy of Internet atheists have always complained to me they have no links or cultural debts to Christianity, and the moral values they have are either just from 'common sense', or they derived them independently by rational analysis.
 
Daylight63 said:
But it's not irrelevant. Animal cooperation implies social development in the animal. Those animals who require cooperation develop a form of "morality" in that there are actions that they are forbidden from carrying out for the greater good of the social safety net.

If animals are lone predators there is no reason for them to have actions which carry any other imperative than the IMMEDIATE and PERSONAL protection of the individual.
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Why wouldn't cooperation be simply a method of survival or some other evolutionary reason?
 
Cypress said:
So true!

I suppose those starlight nights in the gulags of Siberia are quite beautiful! :)
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Cypress said:
Okay, I'm glad we've established that for all their anger at Christianity, American atheists largely owe their moral conscience to a cultural memory of the Christian Bible.

It only took me five years to get that confession. A bevy of Internet atheists have always complained to me they have no links or cultural debts to Christianity, and the moral values they have are either just from 'common sense', or they derived them independently by rational analysis.
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My friends were raised as atheist, their parent were atheist. Do you think they encountered Christian values from Christianity? I don’t. They had little knowledge of anything Christian or the Bible. I believe they developed their morals from common sense, our legal system and by rational thinking.
 
Daylight63 said:
How does one have a NEAR DEATH experience without one's life being threatened? That makes ZERO sense.

Who is Perry again? I haven't seen any posts by this person.

I don't know what your faith is. Just that you seem to believe in something from your "ND"E.
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Well, maybe one has to graduate from college to understand it.

Perry the Putz? Perry PhD? Kafka? Obtenebrator? He's a nutjob and a liar who claimed to have PhD but obviously never earned even a two-year degree. He has a strange obsession with Cypress and continually seeks to prove he's smarter and better educated. It's sad because he's obviously neither. In short, Perry is you, son.

You claimed you did. Thanks for admitting you don't have a fucking clue, Perry. Honesty can be refreshing. :thup:
 
Phantasmal said:
My friends were raised as atheist, their parent were atheist. Do you think they encountered Christian values from Christianity? I don’t. They had little knowledge of anything Christian or the Bible. I believe they developed their morals from common sense, our legal system and by rational thinking.
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In my opinion, I think everyone who grew up in Western civilization was influenced by 2000 years western history and culture, just like everyone in China is influenced by 2000 years of Chinese history culture. I don't think one can escape history.

In the west, that history and culture is predicated in many ways by a Christian ethos.

Almost everyone in China is influenced by a Confucian and Buddhist ethos, whether they realize it or not.

I don't think morality just comes from common sense. The parable of the good Samaritan was so radical precisely because it didn't comport with common sense. It may seem like common sense on a superficial level to us because we have a two thousand year old cultural memory of it, but most of the stuff I've read in the sacred religious texts of Buddhism, Christianity, Taoism, would not necessarily be perfectly sensible to someone from the time period Assyrian, Aztec, or the Carthaginian Empires.
 
Cypress said:
Jesus: the outer darkness, an unquenchable fire, a place of no return.
Buddhism: a place of torment, not eternal, but inconcievably long.
Catholic Church: Described mainly as a separation from God.
Anglican Church: Permanent annihilation and the extinguishing of all consciousness.
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What is hell? That's easy. Any time spent with lying leftist assholes like you. ;)
 
Phantasmal said:
My friends were raised as atheist, their parent were atheist. Do you think they encountered Christian values from Christianity? I don’t. They had little knowledge of anything Christian or the Bible. I believe they developed their morals from common sense, our legal system and by rational thinking.
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Morals are taught through one's culture regardless of their religious beliefs. Religious indoctrination can instill other morals and social behavior. Since the US was colonized by a predominantly European Christian culture, it makes sense that a lot of those cultural beliefs would be weaved into our culture regardless of one's actual religious/spiritual beliefs including atheism. This includes our legal system which is heavily weighted toward British laws...which were also heavily influenced by Christian ideology.

The phrase "common sense is not so common" points out that what is common sense for one person may not be for another. Even more so across different cultures such as the US and Japan.

IMO, people are culturally indoctrinated from birth and, using various mental abilities AKA free will, adapt to survive, if not thrive, in the culture in which they live.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Well, maybe one has to graduate from college to understand it.
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No, one need only know what the meaning of words is. If you weren't near death then it wasn't an NDE.

Words have meaning.

Dutch Uncle said:
Perry the Putz? Perry PhD?
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I cannot find anyone on this forum with that name.

Dutch Uncle said:
Cypress continually seeks to prove he's smarter and better educated.
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Agreed. He seems to have a chip on his shoulder. Probably couldn't make it very far in college and wants to feel like it wasn't all wasted effort on his part. I've seen people like that all over the place.


Dutch Uncle said:
It's sad because he's obviously neither.
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Cypress isn't THAT uneducated.


 
Cypress said:
In my opinion, I think everyone who grew up in Western civilization was influenced by 2000 years western history and culture, just like everyone in China is influenced by 2000 years of Chinese history culture. I don't think one can escape history.

In the west, that history and culture is predicated in many ways by a Christian ethos.

Almost everyone in China is influenced by a Confucian and Buddhist ethos, whether they realize it or not.

I don't think morality just comes from common sense. The parable of the good Samaritan was so radical precisely because it didn't comport with common sense. It may seem like common sense on a superficial level to us because we have a two thousand year old cultural memory of it, but most of the stuff I've read in the sacred religious texts of Buddhism, Christianity, Taoism, would not necessarily be perfectly sensible to someone from the time period Assyrian, Aztec, or the Carthaginian Empires.
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Agreed. The culture in which we each are raised is the one that instills within us our morals.
 
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