What is hell?

[Neoclitorus]

So when one group of monkeys attacks and kills members of another group, that's 'thriving'? It is cooperation, yes...at least in their own group. But they are killing another of their own species. Is this 'morality'?

And it's not just monkeys.

not to the outgroup monkeys.

the more evolved monkeys join their tribes together and extend ingroup morality to outgroups.

humans are best at morality it's what makes us most human.



your darwinian materialist satanist Nazi corporate "supply side" job creator cult morality degrades man.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Christians like to take credit for commonsense ideas like "don't steal your neighbor's shit" and "don't kill your neighbor" so, in their minds, we've ALL encountered Christian values.

Denying the impact of 2000 years of Christian influence upon Western ideology is ignorant, IMO.

It'd be smarter to study what influenced Christians values. Judaism for one since there's there the Ten Commandments came from, circa 1300 BC. Even older is the Code of Hammurabi, circa 1750 BC. Both employ some "common sense" rules such as don't kill each other, don't steal from each other and other social rules promoting harmony within the group.

Code of Hammurabi

The Code of Hammurabi was a set of 282 laws inscribed in stone by the Babylonian king Hammurabi (r. 1795-1750 BCE) who conquered and then ruled ancient Mesopotamia. Although his law code was not the...

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HAMMURABI’S CODE OF LAWS

HAMMURABI’S CODE OF LAWS​

 

[Dutch Uncle]

So since I'm not angry like you and Cypress seem to really really want me to be I'm "passive aggressive"?

Wow. Did you guys dig up a famous logician and fuck his corpse for fun?

I'd say the person who demands I always be angry is the insecure one.

I'd also say the person who can't actually address the topic but always insists on personally attacking more for no reason is equally insecure.

Try discussing the TOPIC. Let's see how "secure" you are when the brain is required.

I Irony

The fact you can't even recognize it in yourself is what fascinates me so much, Perry.

 

[ZenMode]

Denying the impact of 2000 years of Christian influence upon Western ideology is ignorant, IMO.

It'd be smarter to study what influenced Christians values. Judaism for one since there's there the Ten Commandments came from, circa 1300 BC. Even older is the Code of Hammurabi, circa 1750 BC. Both employ some "common sense" rules such as don't kill each other, don't steal from each other and other social rules promoting harmony within the group.

Code of Hammurabi

The Code of Hammurabi was a set of 282 laws inscribed in stone by the Babylonian king Hammurabi (r. 1795-1750 BCE) who conquered and then ruled ancient Mesopotamia. Although his law code was not the...

www.worldhistory.org

HAMMURABI’S CODE OF LAWS

HAMMURABI’S CODE OF LAWS​

Absolutely. At one point, something like 90% of the US was Christian so Christians did everything. There was nobody else around.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Probably just plain ol' Hallucination.

If you weren't near death then it wasn't a near death experience. This is literally about as simple a concept as one can achieve. A thing is what it is and not some other thing.

Basic, elementary school reasoning.

Could be but I studied it for literal decades and could never replicate the experience.

So what do you call it? Just a hallucination like mushrooms, Perry?

I love your passive-aggressiveness in every post. You can't help it.

 

[Neoclitorus]

I assumed nothing. Some animals cooperate and others don't. Irrelevant to a conversation about morality.

Agreed. The culture in which we each are raised is the one that instills within us our morals.

and some cultures are more moral than others.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Absolutely. At one point, something like 90% of the US was Christian so Christians did everything. There was nobody else around.

Agreed. How could a few hundred years of Christianity not be a major influence upon American culture even among American atheists?

 

[Neoclitorus]

I assumed nothing. Some animals cooperate and others don't. Irrelevant to a conversation about morality.

some animals are more moral than others.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

and some cultures are more moral than others.

Define moral. Is there a universal morality? If so, what is it?

 

[Neoclitorus]

Define moral. Is there a universal morality? If so, what is it?

morality is a set of beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that facilitate voluntary, cooperative and mutually beneficial relationships.​

I thought you'd never ask.

 

[ZenMode]

some animals are more moral than others.

Not because they understand the concept of morality. They've just learned, or evolved with, behaviors that humans understand to be more or less moral.

 

[Neoclitorus]

Not because they understand the concept of morality. They've just learned, or evolved with, behaviors that humans understand to be more or less moral.

how do you know?

and does it matter why they are moral in the task of defining what morality is?

 

[Neoclitorus]

then there's this.

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   The hundredth monkey effect is an esoteric idea claiming that a new behavior or idea is spread rapidly by unexplained means from one group to all related groups once a critical number of members of one group exhibit the new behavior or acknowledge the new idea. The behavior was said to propagate even to groups that are physically separated and ...
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   Learn about the myth of the 100th monkey effect, which suggests that a new behavior or idea can spread rapidly across a species once a certain threshold is reached. Explore how this concept relates to the tipping point, the collective unconscious, and the paradigm

 

[Daylight63]

Could be but I studied it for literal decades and could never replicate the experience.

I'm sure you "studied" it as much as your intellectual limitations would allow.

I'm still kind of struggling to understand how an adult could say they had a "near death" experience while NOT being near death. Seems to indicate maybe your "studies" aren't quite as good as someone who understands how words work.

So what do you call it? Just a hallucination like mushrooms, Perry?

Exactly. My wife did NOT cease to exist just because she appeared to when I was hallucinating. I didn't find any 'deeeeeep truth' in hallucination. People like you find "deeeeeep truths" whenever you get light headed.

I'm a bit more "picky" shall we say.

I love your passive-aggressiveness in every post. You can't help it.

Passive aggressive. Just because you don't know how words work or even simple logic and I'm somehow the problem? Got it.

 

[Into the Night]

Because it was the first one you used. Like Fredo who also frequently changed his usernames, or Sybil with his multiple socks, I like sticking with one name. Yours is Perry. Perry PhD, Perry Putz, and Perry Penis Puller all work too.

Again, Perry, words have meaning. You said "threatened" and now you are flip-flopping around such as using "endangered". It's just more evidence your thinking is flawed and scattered.

Again, you prove your thinking is flawed, Perry. If I was dead, how could I be endangered?

Agreed, you don't think. Is it genetic or did you suffer an injury?

Well, at least you finally admitted to all your socks, Sybil.

 

[Into the Night]

it's not causal, merely desriptive of a fallen state of man.

Random phrase. Apparently you lost context again.

 

[Into the Night]

not to the outgroup monkeys.

WTF is 'outgroup monkeys'??

the more evolved monkeys join their tribes together and extend ingroup morality to outgroups.

One group of monkeys is the same as the other group of monkeys. One didn't evolve over the other.

humans are best at morality it's what makes us most human.

your darwinian materialist satanist Nazi corporate "supply side" job creator cult morality degrades man.

Buzzword fallacies. Random words. No apparent coherency. Go learn English.

 

[Into the Night]

how do you know?

and does it matter why they are moral in the task of defining what morality is?

So according to your own definition, organized crime is morality.

 

[Neoclitorus]

So according to your own definition, organized crime is morality.

no.

to it's victims it is immoral.

 

[ZenMode]

how do you know?

and does it matter why they are moral in the task of defining what morality is?

Because there's no reason to believe that animals, other than humans, have the ability to understand or articulate an idea like morality. They're behaving in a way that have proven to be evolutionarily beneficial. Some of those things "look" moral to humans.