What part of Christianity isn't compatible with the US Constitution...

Jack said:
EXACTLY.
So, if I asked you: "What part of Scientology isn't compatible with the US Constitution..." That would be a rather stupid question, wouldn't it.
I would be insinuating that YOU think 'Scientology isn't compatible with the Constitution' and then challenge YOU to back up this claim.
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It is a claim that some on the left have made, the question didn't appear from a vacuum. If you don't believe it, then why participate in the conversation? This is like me wandering into a "Trumpanzee" thread. I don't like the guy. I feel no need to pretend that I do. I may think he was the better of two of the worst choices we have ever had for President but that will never make me a fan of the Child King.
 
distraff said:
No, I have been posting in forums for a while, mostly political forums.

I will defend #14. Here is Romans 13.

1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended.
4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing.
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claim:
14: Christians were told to obey their kings, pay their taxes, and their kings were appointed by God.

give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's........but show me where God appointed Caesar.......God appointed and anointed Saul.......God appointed and anointed David.......if you are trying to bring this into a discussion of the US constitution, that is make it relevant, are you claiming God appointed Trump king?......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
claim:
14: Christians were told to obey their kings, pay their taxes, and their kings were appointed by God.

give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's........but show me where God appointed Caesar.......God appointed and anointed Saul.......God appointed and anointed David.......if you are trying to bring this into a discussion of the US constitution, that is make it relevant, are you claiming God appointed Trump king?......
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My proof that God appointed in the verse that I just quoted.

Romans 13.
1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended.
4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
only the most ignorant of lib'ruls would try to claim "Army of God" was a Christian organization......
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Do some research. They were a Christian organization.

don't know much about the rest.......add them all together do you have even .000001% of Christians?.......quit wasting our time.......
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Ok, so you're too biased to admit that Christians can be terrorists too. Got it.
 
Damocles said:
Your constitution requires that you allow those people to freely exercise their religion, so being a religion itself cannot possibly be incompatible muh constitution. Now some actions of individuals may be, just as the actions of some atheists insisting that no public mention of religion must be the answer is incompatible with the free exercise clause but they get to say it regardless.
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Well if exercising their religion goes against muh Constitution, and is dangerous and illegal, then followers of said religion could say their religion is incompatible with muh Constitution.
People are allowed to free exercise whatever religion they want up until they break a law. It doesn't matter that slavery is allowed in the Bible. This is an aspect of Judaism and Christianity nobody is allowed to practice.
 
iolo said:
In France, the capitalist government invaded Paris, killed masses of working people, and destroyed the Commune. In the Soviet Union the capitalist armies drove the (minority) working class back to the villages and a state-capitalist government emerged. In Hungary the Romanians invaded and killed the socialists. In Bavaria the overthrow of democracy meant the beginnings of Nazism. Capitalist governments never turn over control to the people unless capitalism is collapsing and they are forced to.
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The same way unfettered Capitalism always leads to Crony Capitalism, a Marxist/Communist government always leads to state Capitalism. I totally get the argument that the Soviet Union didn't have real Communism because the Bolsheviks took over and put Joseph Stalin in charge. But this is just the natural result of attempted collective ownership. The same thing happened in China, Cambodia, and Cuba.
Basically, we'll never have large-scale Communism, because during the phase before that, the government decides not to turn over power to the people.


People do stupid things when part of a stupid society where nobody cares about anyone else. In no working-class community I know would it be tolerated for two minutes anyone pushing in where someone else was living..
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But if people aren't able to just push in where other people live, then you don't have collective ownership.
 
distraff said:
My proof that God appointed in the verse that I just quoted.

Romans 13.
1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended.
4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing.
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literalists who get things wrong are boring....thanks for playing, just not very well.....
 
domer76 said:
Nope. I answered the question as asked. That you’re too fucking stupid to comprehend the answer is on you.
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"The part of Christianity that wants prayer in school" isn't backed up with evidence. Sorry that you don't understand how debate works.
 
Nordberg said:
Christianity is taught to children who do not have the capacity to make decisions for themselves. It is absolutely not voluntary. I was forced to go to church and catechism classes when I was a kid. It was not voluntary.
There is no socialism, so hard to be compulsory. Just like no capitalism. All countries are mixes.
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Your parents also forced you to shit in a toilet instead of your pants. Such meanies...
 
Damocles said:
It is a claim that some on the left have made, the question didn't appear from a vacuum. If you don't believe it, then why participate in the conversation? This is like me wandering into a "Trumpanzee" thread. I don't like the guy. I feel no need to pretend that I do. I may think he was the better of two of the worst choices we have ever had for President but that will never make me a fan of the Child King.
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Damo: "It is a claim that some on the left have made,..."
Jack: I've never heard that. The Constitution specifically protects Religion.

Damo: "the question didn't appear from a vacuum."
Jack: That's debatable, ... the question came from Dark Soul.

Damo: "If you don't believe it, then why participate in the conversation?"
Jack: I took it as an opportunity to express my opinion on the mass propaganda effort by the Christians to impose their Religion on everyone else. From installing Crosses on every mountain Top, to putting the Ten Commandments in every Courthouse, and trying to mandate Religious Chants at Meetings and Schoolhouses.

Damo: "This is like me wandering into a "Trumpanzee" thread."
Jack: Yeah. Aren't you the guy that created 'JPP'? For Debate, Free Expression, Opinions.

Here's an example of Religious assholes at work:
"Pledge of Allegiance"

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
1892 to 1923

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
1924 to 1954[3]

(current version, per 4 U.S.C. §4)[4]
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
The Pledge of Allegiance of the United States is an expression of allegiance to the flag of the United States and the republic of the United States of America. It was originally composed by Captain George Thatcher Balch, a Union Army Officer during the Civil War and later a teacher of patriotism in New York City schools.[5][6] The form of the pledge used today was largely devised by Francis Bellamy in 1892, and formally adopted by Congress as the pledge in 1942.[7] The official name of The Pledge of Allegiance was adopted in 1945. The most recent alteration of its wording came on Flag Day in 1954, when the words "under God" were added.[8]"

You probably don't, but I remember saying the Pledge WITHOUT the 'Under God' in it. <------ a good example of the propaganda effort by the Christians. (Brainwashing children)
 
StoneByStone said:
You can say the same thing about any religion. Most people aren't extremists. But we also have to accept that these texts can be interpreted any number of ways.
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Just like the Constitution can be interpreted incorrectly as well. Or a road sign. Or a law against pedohilia. But the bar isn't set that low. You have to show how a reasonable person would interpret a Biblical text, so that that text would be incompatible with the Constitution. That is what That Old Woman claimed, and what a handful of JPP libs agreed with her on.
 
Dark Soul said:
Just like the Constitution can be interpreted incorrectly as well. Or a road sign. Or a law against pedohilia. But the bar isn't set that low. You have to show how a reasonable person would interpret a Biblical text, so that that text would be incompatible with the Constitution. That is what That Old Woman claimed, and what a handful of JPP libs agreed with her on.
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The difference is that road signs are clear, while religious text is purposely written to be vague.
Religion is also different because it's not about logic or facts, it's about emotional and blind faith. A common argument among Christians is that you can't REALLY understand the Bible unless you read it with the spirit. So basically, they can say it means whatever they want.
 
Dark Soul said:
Your parents also forced you to shit in a toilet instead of your pants. Such meanies...
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yeah, that's the same thing. It is cruel forcing religion and terrible fears of hell and making god angry on a kid. They are not equipped to defend themselves from the propaganda of religion. Of course that is why religions pound it into children. That is when the fear works best and they have the least knowledge to offer arguments. It is cruel to do that to children. You should be ashamed to treat your kids that way.
 
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