What the? Could global warming actually be BAD for polar bears?

froggie said:
Not when you live here and see it happening...the fish aren't running like they use to, that is not good for a whole lot of animals in Alaska!

I also don't know that I agree with your stats, I will have to do some checking.
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The fishing industry numbers are up, maybe there is less fish because more are fishing? It's certainly an oppurtunity to blame global warming for some (not saying you are doing this).
 
The whale population has also gone up in the years that AFC has been dominating the Superbowl.

Therefore, AFC domination of the Superbowl must be good for whales.

Lesson on CAUSATION for Dano....
 
Onceler said:
My lying?

Guys who study polar bears & whales disagree with pretty much everything you're saying. What was your big "point' with whales again? Oh, yeah - fewer will get stuck in the ice. You try that one at the next marine biology convention when they're talking about the effects of warming on the food chain.

You're a total propogandist. Everything you present on this topic is a lie. If you wanted to try to be truthful, you COULD try to talk about some of the bonafide conflicting evidence out there about the extent of man's contribution, but you go with "global warming GOOD for polar bears & whales!", like the ignorant buffoon that you are.

It completely destroys any credibility you could hope to have on the topic....
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Same ol lie, I never said good for polar bears, I said good overall BECAUSE warming has had no effect on polar bear population levels while whale population levels are increasing.

You like to pretend that ice trapping a few dozen or hundred whales every year doesn't mean much but you forget that a lot of their populations are only a few thousand to begin with.
 
TheDanold said:
The fishing industry numbers are up, maybe there is less fish because more are fishing? It's certainly an oppurtunity to blame global warming for some (not saying you are doing this).
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People track these things and the fish runs are not being affected by the commercial fishing. They limit the catch when the fish don't show up!
It is a very controlled industry!
 
Onceler said:
The whale population has also gone up in the years that AFC has been dominating the Superbowl.

Therefore, AFC domination of the Superbowl must be good for whales.

Lesson on CAUSATION for Dano....
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See your problem here is that I have given a reason for warming to increase whale population (less trapped in ice), what is your reason for the AFC affecting it?

Lesson on correlating causation for you dumbass...
HAHAHAHA
 
TheDanold said:
See your problem here is that I have given a reason for warming to increase whale population (less trapped in ice), what is your reason for the AFC affecting it?

Lesson on correlating causation for you dumbass...
HAHAHAHA
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You think the population stabilization is because of the relatively few whales that get trapped in the ice every year?

You are seriously deranged, DeMano; I mean, that is absolutely laughable.
 
froggie said:
People track these things and the fish runs are not being affected by the commercial fishing. They limit the catch when the fish don't show up!
It is a very controlled industry!
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I would think they are affected, salmon specifically migrate great distances, it would be impossible to control, not to mention the affect from bears hunting them and humans too (not commercial but hobby fishing).
 
Why don't you read what people WHO STUDY WHALES are saying about the population changes before shooting your mouth off like a complete idiot?
 
Onceler said:
You think the population stabilization is because of the relatively few whales that get trapped in the ice every year?

You are seriously deranged, DeMano; I mean, that is absolutely laughable.
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I think it's obviously a positive, you do not know there is relatively few. It's a very massive area with sparse human observation.
Again the facts are on my side.
 
TheDanold said:
I think it's obviously a positive, you do not know there is relatively few. It's a very massive area with sparse human observation.
Again the facts are on my side.
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Like I said - you should read what people who are ACTUALLY IN THE FIELD attribute to current whale populations, instead of going with your usual anecdotal, Danologic thing.

It's kinda fun to watch you stick w/ this one, though; I don't mind seeing you embarassed. You usually just let these threads slide when you realize what's up....
 
It's ironic, too - as I check more sources on the whale population, there is almost unanimous consent that it's mainly due to the protections that most whale populations are given now, which completely undermines your point the other day that such protections are ineffective & have the opposite effect of what they intend.

Don't you find that ironic? I'm sure you're finding the same thing, as you google around frantically...
 
Onceler said:
It's ironic, too - as I check more sources on the whale population, there is almost unanimous consent that it's mainly due to the protections that most whale populations are given now, which completely undermines your point the other day that such protections are ineffective & have the opposite effect of what they intend.

Don't you find that ironic? I'm sure you're finding the same thing, as you google around frantically...
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Um no, I said all along that whale populations are increasing because of protection, obviously with global warming some of that increase would come from them not being trapped in ice as well. In fact it was your lying dumbass that tried to pass of the (still hunted) Minke whale population decreases as coming from global warming when in reality you know admit that protection is the variable that matters.

Also when I said the Endangered Species Act can incentivitize killing I was referring to land animals in conflict with land owners who are worried about losing property or property value. No such conflict exists in the (unowned) ocean and so it would not apply.
As usual you try and find a gotcha, fail and completely fail to use your brain to put things in context.

Like I said, stupid, stupid, stupid little man.
 
Why do you keep bringing up the Minke thing as though it's some point that I misspoke on?

Again, the guys who actually STUDY MINKES think it's a combination of climate change & hunting. This corroborates evidence they have in other populations.

I'm not shooting from the hip on this one, DeMano - that's your department. I'm not an expert on whales, either. However, it's pretty clear that, as an average layman on the topic of whale populations, I can go w/ the group of people who actually study them for a living, or with our own resident "expert," whose ideology prevents him from objectively digesting or presenting facts in any honest way.

You have repeatedly made the correlation on this thread that whale populations are increasing as a direct result of global warming. People who understand this topic say that increases are almost exclusively tied to protections, and will likely be temporary, because of the way that climate change affects the food chain (and please - for anyone who missed it, let's have your take on that one again...)
 
TheDanold said:
Glad you took the time to read the facts. Whale populations up with warming. Polar bear populations unaffected.
Lorax never could refute that.
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I think he was more captivated by the insanity of your position.

It's kind of funny, just reading your statement above - you're linking the whale population w/ warming, without any causation whatsoever.

You're not very big on causation...
 
TheDanold said:
Glad you took the time to read the facts. Whale populations up with warming. Polar bear populations unaffected.
Lorax never could refute that.
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Polar bears are being affected! You just are ignoring the facts!
 
Danologic:

Poop is brown.
Your car is brown.
Your car is made of poop.

Oceans are warming.
Whale populations are going up.
Warming oceans means more whales.

Or, one could say this and be just as accurate:

Oceans are warming.
US gained 8 million jobs.
Warming oceans creates jobs for Americans.
 
ib1yysguy said:
Danologic:

Poop is brown.
Your car is brown.
Your car is made of poop.

Oceans are warming.
Whale populations are going up.
Warming oceans means more whales.

Or, one could say this and be just as accurate:

Oceans are warming.
US gained 8 million jobs.
Warming oceans creates jobs for Americans.
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Excellent, Global Warming = Good for the Economy! I like it. I think I'll use it later...

:D
 
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