What the? Could global warming actually be BAD for polar bears?

bscitizen said:
All that anger Dano. Just relax and realize that we are all brothers and sisters.....
Asshole !!! :D
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You're right it would be better if I kept the anger in or do the Liberal thing and let it ooze out in the form of cynical depressed sarcasm....but that's just not me.
 
"I harbor anger against people who lie about me,"

What you see as "lying" is based on your paranoid, rather inaccurate interpretation of reality.

You have routinely called me a "filthy little liar" for making perfectly true statements about things you have written, complete with backup, that would be indisputable to anyone judging from an objective viewpoint.

Would you like some examples?
 
TheDanold said:
You're right it would be better if I kept the anger in or do the Liberal thing and let it ooze out in the form of cynical depressed sarcasm....but that's just not me.
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You are right it is not you. More like a loud obnoxious political parrott.
 
LOFL when GW admits to GW with his admittedly weak environmental record the debate is over.
Of course for Cypress, Duhla, and lori they love to kick sand in the face of children in wheelchairs. So they will continue to egg danold and dixie into fights. But are they doing anything to fight GW of significance.
NOT!!!!!!!
 
Topspin said:
LOFL when GW admits to GW with his admittedly weak environmental record the debate is over.
Of course for Cypress, Duhla, and lori they love to kick sand in the face of children in wheelchairs. So they will continue to egg danold and dixie into fights. But are they doing anything to fight GW of significance.
NOT!!!!!!!
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First of all, "when Gw admits to Gw the debate is over". What?

Secondly, I do a hell of a lot more than you do Top.
 
Topspin said:
LOFL when GW admits to GW with his admittedly weak environmental record the debate is over.
Of course for Cypress, Duhla, and lori they love to kick sand in the face of children in wheelchairs. So they will continue to egg danold and dixie into fights. But are they doing anything to fight GW of significance.
NOT!!!!!!!
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I'm a child in a wheelchair? That's a new one. I'm not sure if I have a comeback for that, it's a little erm...unexpected.

Also and more importantly, what the hell is 'LOFL'?
 
Onceler said:
I know, I know - this is going to come as a shock, especially since we were recently told by one of our best & brightest posters that warming was actually GOOD for polar bears, but as it turns out, they inexplicably don't react well to sudden, dramatic losses of habitat:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20645362/

They're estimating that up to 2/3 of the population will be gone by 2050. I just don't see how this could happen...
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Which posters said this? Unbelievable!
 
Alaska has big problems with things getting warmer, read about the melting permafrost and the affects it is having on salmon.

The polar bears along with the others animals who live in Alaska have evovled to live where they live and eat what they eat. They may adapt, but then again, they may not.

The only ones who are happy about the warming are people and even some of them don't like the fact that Alaska is getting warmer.
 
froggie said:
Which posters said this? Unbelievable!
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No poster said this actually, what Lorax is distorting is what I did say:

"According to the World Wildlife Fund, about 20 distinct polar bear populations currently exist, accounting for approximately 22,000 polar bears worldwide. Of those distinct populations only two, representing about 16.4 percent of the total population, are decreasing. At the same time, 10 populations representing approximately 45.4 percent of the total population are stable, and 2 populations representing about 13.6 percent of the total number of polar bears are increasing. The status of the remaining populations is unknown."
http://eteam.ncpa.org/commentaries/a...ar-bears-dying

The reason I called it a good thing was because of the positive impact for whales while having no overall negative effect for polar bears.

Also it should be known that the polar bear evolved from the grizzly bear as the climate got NATURALLY colder:
http://www.geol.umd.edu/~candela/pbevol.html
Now as the climate gets NATURALLY warmer they would again perhaps evolve back to be more accustomed to deal with that.


The facts so far are that WITH some warming, there has been no statistically significant decline in polar bear numbers.
 
This is what he said:

"""Global warming has resulted in a stable polar bear population along with an easier life for the many different kinds of whales""

He's wrong about the whales, also...
 
TheDanold said:
No poster said this actually, what Lorax is distorting is what I did say:

"According to the World Wildlife Fund, about 20 distinct polar bear populations currently exist, accounting for approximately 22,000 polar bears worldwide. Of those distinct populations only two, representing about 16.4 percent of the total population, are decreasing. At the same time, 10 populations representing approximately 45.4 percent of the total population are stable, and 2 populations representing about 13.6 percent of the total number of polar bears are increasing. The status of the remaining populations is unknown."
http://eteam.ncpa.org/commentaries/a...ar-bears-dying

The reason I called it a good thing was because of the positive impact for whales while having no overall negative effect for polar bears.

Also it should be known that the polar bear evolved from the grizzly bear as the climate got NATURALLY colder:
http://www.geol.umd.edu/~candela/pbevol.html
Now as the climate gets NATURALLY warmer they would again perhaps evolve back to be more accustomed to deal with that.


The facts so far are that WITH some warming, there has been no statistically significant decline in polar bear numbers.
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Whales will also be affected, it is just a matter of time. Their food supply will possibly dwindle with the warming currents. They will adapt or die!
 
froggie said:
Alaska has big problems with things getting warmer, read about the melting permafrost and the affects it is having on salmon.

The polar bears along with the others animals who live in Alaska have evovled to live where they live and eat what they eat. They may adapt, but then again, they may not.

The only ones who are happy about the warming are people and even some of them don't like the fact that Alaska is getting warmer.
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Undoubtedly there is some negatives, but there is also positives.

You mention Salmon and some worries, but overall the growth in the fishing industry has been huge there:

"A new state economic report released this month by the Department of Labor and Workforce Development gives some reasons for fishermen to continue their optimism.

In fact, according to the report, a recent growth spurt in the fisheries industry outstripped the state's overall job growth rate for 2002 to 2004.

Total employment in the fishing industry grew at a rate of about 4.1 percent from 2002 to 2004"
http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/020906/sta_20060209014.shtml

It goes on to mention salmon prices being low, which would not happen if they were in shorter supply from global warming. Low supply with no change in demand equals higher prices, so obviously they are not low in supply.
 
froggie said:
Whales will also be affected, it is just a matter of time. Their food supply will possibly dwindle with the warming currents. They will adapt or die!
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Sigh. The earth is warming and the whale population IS increasing. Those are the facts. The facts trump the theories.
 
TheDanold said:
Sigh. The earth is warming and the whale population IS increasing. Those are the facts. The facts trump the theories.
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There is no causation here.

Experts in the field praise protections & enforcement for the population stabilization, but see a greater threat looming with climate change. They have already seen some population become emaciated because of a diminishing food supply.

Dano doesn't understand the food chain...
 
Onceler said:
"They will adapt or die!"

Dano thinks animals are capable of widescale adaptation within a generation or 2...
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Uh no I don't, you are going by your exxagerated numbers, even by the most pessimistic models, the arctic will not change much over the next 100 years.
Krill can adapt relatively quickly to breed more numerously for survival and their lifespan is very short.

Stop your lying.
 
TheDanold said:
Sigh. The earth is warming and the whale population IS increasing. Those are the facts. The facts trump the theories.
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Not when you live here and see it happening...the fish aren't running like they use to, that is not good for a whole lot of animals in Alaska!

I also don't know that I agree with your stats, I will have to do some checking.
 
Onceler said:
There is no causation here.

Experts in the field praise protections & enforcement for the population stabilization, but see a greater threat looming with climate change. They have already seen some population become emaciated because of a diminishing food supply.

Dano doesn't understand the food chain...
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Emaciated populations don't increase in population. You are looking for what you want to look for and those few researchers whose theories seek to fearmonger what you eat up are likely doing the same.

One more time, the inescapable fact is that the earth has been warming and the whale population has been increasing. First you try and pretend that the population is decreasing, now having seen me prove that false, you shift gears and pretend that the population WILL in the future decrease.
Dishonest to the core.
 
TheDanold said:
Uh no I don't, you are going by your exxagerated numbers, even by the most pessimistic models, the arctic will not change much over the next 100 years.
Krill can adapt relatively quickly to breed more numerously for survival and their lifespan is very short.

Stop your lying.
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My lying?

Guys who study polar bears & whales disagree with pretty much everything you're saying. What was your big "point' with whales again? Oh, yeah - fewer will get stuck in the ice. You try that one at the next marine biology convention when they're talking about the effects of warming on the food chain.

You're a total propogandist. Everything you present on this topic is a lie. If you wanted to try to be truthful, you COULD try to talk about some of the bonafide conflicting evidence out there about the extent of man's contribution, but you go with "global warming GOOD for polar bears & whales!", like the ignorant buffoon that you are.

It completely destroys any credibility you could hope to have on the topic....
 
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