what was the best time in American history?

evince said:
look at the chart provided you fool.

this debt is smaller respectively than the WWII debt and that fixed that one and we STEAMED along
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What chart are you referring to?

Was that debt lowered by higher taxes or an improving economy?

How will higher taxes pay off our $18 trillion in current debt?
 
evince said:
The facts are NOT in your corner idiot.
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Tell me Desh, what about what I stated was incorrect?

let me also remind you that government spending is what you just credited for our recovery .
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Government spending has its place. It is not the be all end all. True Keynesian economics works when implemented correctly. But Keynes did not EVER state that government spending would work regardless of what the spending was on.

dumb as a box of fucking rocks
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lmao... so much irony
 
Thing1 said:
Yeah - and if someone told you in the '80's about the technology we'd have today, you would have cracked up, as well.

Life expectancy increases are standard in history. Have you paid any attention at all to what's happening in the field of medicine these days?
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You know shit.

You live in a worse bubble than SF, and that is saying something. Life expectancy is not increasing for everyone, and has decreased for many, for instance, less educated whites.

Here's a great chart about life expectancy. Get DH to read it to you.

http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/zombie-life-expectancy-arguments/

Your 120 year life expectancy in a decade is science fiction on par with something a doddering Reagan would have pushed. It's complete fantasy. Already we see differences in life expectancy based on income and socio-economic class, imagine if such a break through were to occur? Who would benefit? Who would not benefit? Any such break through is many decades off anyway (I'd say easily 100 years off, but that is just a guess), but even so.

Then to just dismiss the fact that manual labor becomes more and more difficult from 40 up. You have 60 yo's barely hanging on, or not hanging on at all, and you crazy bastards want to raise the retirement age. What rarefied air you must breath. Thank God I somehow have avoided sniffing that shit.
 
Thing1 said:
It's laughable that you don't see any correlation between the former and the latter.

When the market crashes, people lose jobs. A lot of people. And governments cut budgets - drastically.

Have you paid any attention at all, to anything, since 2008?
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It's laughable that most of Wall Street isn't in jail,
it's laughable that there is not open rebellion,
It's laughable that Jarod thinks this is our period of greatest freedom,
It's laughable that you believe the neo-cons bullshit about SS and that next year people will start living until 120.

It is especially laughable though, that a handful of greedy bankers can crash the world monetary system, and you are OK with that system.

The real point, is that whether or not the market crashes, quantitative easing is hurting all but billionaires.

(yes Simplefreak, they will have less money, but they will still have enough, correct, idiot?)
 
Superfreak said:
It is still correct. The problem will be Medicare, not SS. SS does just need minor tweaks... just as Reagan did in the 80's.
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I actually googled "Reagan tweaked SS" because I have read that a lot, and it ends up Obama is parroting DH too:

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_new...al-security-tweak-might-mean-for-workers?lite

Tweak just means minor changes. It's a common term used to describe what needs to be done to SS, which is not a problem and only morons believe it is.
 
Darla said:
You know shit.

You live in a worse bubble than SF, and that is saying something. Life expectancy is not increasing for everyone, and has decreased for many, for instance, less educated whites.

Here's a great chart about life expectancy. Get DH to read it to you.

http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/zombie-life-expectancy-arguments/

Your 120 year life expectancy in a decade is science fiction on par with something a doddering Reagan would have pushed. It's complete fantasy. Already we see differences in life expectancy based on income and socio-economic class, imagine if such a break through were to occur? Who would benefit? Who would not benefit? Any such break through is many decades off anyway (I'd say easily 100 years off, but that is just a guess), but even so.

Then to just dismiss the fact that manual labor becomes more and more difficult from 40 up. You have 60 yo's barely hanging on, or not hanging on at all, and you crazy bastards want to raise the retirement age. What rarefied air you must breath. Thank God I somehow have avoided sniffing that shit.
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Where did I personally say that I wanted to raise the retirement age?

Don't bother looking; I didn't. I want to preserve SS and keep the retirement age at a reasonable level, and increase payouts instead of worrying about how they are going to be cut.

We've all been on this board a long time, and will probably be on it a lot longer. We can revisit this conversation in a decade or so, and see who was right & who had their head in the sand.
 
Thing1 said:
Where did I personally say that I wanted to raise the retirement age?

Don't bother looking; I didn't. I want to preserve SS and keep the retirement age at a reasonable level, and increase payouts instead of worrying about how they are going to be cut.

We've all been on this board a long time, and will probably be on it a lot longer. We can revisit this conversation in a decade or so, and see who was right & who had their head in the sand.
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Is this you crawfishing from your life expectancy claims?
 
Rune said:
It's laughable that most of Wall Street isn't in jail,
it's laughable that there is not open rebellion,
It's laughable that Jarod thinks this is our period of greatest freedom,
It's laughable that you believe the neo-cons bullshit about SS and that next year people will start living until 120.

It is especially laughable though, that a handful of greedy bankers can crash the world monetary system, and you are OK with that system.

The real point, is that whether or not the market crashes, quantitative easing is hurting all but billionaires.

(yes Simplefreak, they will have less money, but they will still have enough, correct, idiot?)
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Do you have Darla's hard-of-hearing thing? I didn't say I was "OK" with that system. I said that IS the system, and it's not changing anytime soon.

What happens on Wall Street affects every single person on Main Street, in a big, big way. That's America; that's the way it's set up, and that's how it will likely be as long as we remain a capitalist country.
 
Thing1 said:
I disagree, wholeheartedly. The ONLY fixes for SS in the future will be radical extensions of the retirement age, and cuts to bene's.

Even if they didn't need that, the payouts will eventually be way, way too low to compensate for any kind of living wage.
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So what does this post mean?

Just an observation on your part I guess huh? A completely false, fear-mongering, invented observation...
 
evince said:
Um how did we get out of the last crash in 1929?


why do you people refuse what has worked in the past?
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Hoover and FDR made things worse with their big gobblement policies. We inflated our way out of it with expansionary monetary policy and a good ole fashioned war. Well we got the monetary policy from Uncle Ben BernanQE. All we need is for your Messiah to get us into a full fledged war?
 
Darla said:
So what does this post mean?

Just an observation on your part I guess huh? A completely false, fear-mongering, invented observation...
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The implication is clear to me - those are the only fixes if the status quo is maintained, or if your only big plan to fix SS is occasional "tweaks."

I'm not one who wants to maintain the status quo.

You are.
 
Thing1 said:
Yeah - and if someone told you in the '80's about the technology we'd have today, you would have cracked up, as well.

Life expectancy increases are standard in history. Have you paid any attention at all to what's happening in the field of medicine these days?
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Yes, I am alive because of it. I take 7 different pills, some of them twice a day.
I also know a woman who is 92 and wants to die. How many people do you think are going to want to outlive everyone they have ever known?

What happened to the hydrogen economy, by the way, since we are discussing ridiculous projections? Bush said we were just a year or two away, 10 years ago.
 
Rune said:
It's laughable that most of Wall Street isn't in jail,
it's laughable that there is not open rebellion,
It's laughable that Jarod thinks this is our period of greatest freedom,
It's laughable that you believe the neo-cons bullshit about SS and that next year people will start living until 120.

It is especially laughable though, that a handful of greedy bankers can crash the world monetary system, and you are OK with that system.

The real point, is that whether or not the market crashes, quantitative easing is hurting all but billionaires.

(yes Simplefreak, they will have less money, but they will still have enough, correct, idiot?)
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No Rune... they will have the same amount of money, just less purchasing power.
 
evince said:
FACTS
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OK.

They are YOUR facts sweetie. Go back and look at your chart. It looks like the federal debt went up under Clinton and down under Bush 43. Yeah. I know shocking isn't it?

It is your graph puddin. Don't be pissed at me. It is your data

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BTW, people love to show data as a % of GDP. Want to know why? Because if the economy is growing, it will make bad numbers look better. Yeah, I know. Crazy huh?

This has not been a good morning for you
 
Thing1 said:
Nah; it's just a useless argument. It's not something I fantasize about, but it will happen (and keep happening). I don't care that you don't read much about what's happening & don't get that.
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I read about what has happened and what is happening right now, and I gave you a link to that. You responded with science fiction. That is what happened here.
 
Thing1 said:
The implication is clear to me - those are the only fixes if the status quo is maintained, or if your only big plan to fix SS is occasional "tweaks."

I'm not one who wants to maintain the status quo.

You are.
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There's nothing wrong with the status quo that a few tweaks won't fix right up.

Let's hear your big plan to fix this non-existent problem.
 
Darla said:
I read about what has happened and what is happening right now, and I gave you a link to that. You responded with science fiction. That is what happened here.
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There are some pretty cool advancements in the works right now in medical tech. Even if none of them come to fruition, you could see a dramatic rise in life expectancy and a drop in medical expenses if we simply took the step as a nation to combat obesity.
 
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