What’s wrong with Woke?

Jarod said:
I hear Trumppers complaining about people they call “Woke”.

The way I understand it, if a person tries to be aware of others, their needs and feelings, and tries to behave in a considerate way toward others, they are “Woke”.

Somehow that’s an insult?
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Good point. Call me that all you like; it's a trait that my mom installed in all of us kids. I'm proud of it, and feel bad when I occasionally fail at being considerate and cognizant of someone else's feelings.
 
So, here is the problem with the Conservative message, you dont clarify.

I agree with Anatta and Cawacko when they explain the deeper meaning of the complaints, but you go around and attack people for being Elite or Woke and it sounds like pure anti-intellectualism and the opposite of what you mean.

It gives a racist or bigot cover, to justify their acting out on racism or bigotry against those who are elite at something. It leads to things like the January 6th insurrection. Can you see that?
 
Yakuda said:
When you and lebron repeat a lie often enough it can actually start to seem true.
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We are just going to have to disagree on that, but having a different opinion than you does not mean I am pretending to be 'woke', I simply believe America still has vestiges of racism in our system and that we can do better, you disagree. That is okay, it does not justify attacking me for believing what I believe.
 
Jarod said:
So, here is the problem with the Conservative message, you dont clarify.

I agree with Anatta and Cawacko when they explain the deeper meaning of the complaints, but you go around and attack people for being Elite or Woke and it sounds like pure anti-intellectualism and the opposite of what you mean.

It gives a racist or bigot cover, to justify their acting out on racism or bigotry against those who are elite at something. It leads to things like the January 6th insurrection. Can you see that?
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Jarod, it is 2021. Did you just learn the term woke? What kind of bubble have you been living in?
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Good point. Call me that all you like; it's a trait that my mom installed in all of us kids. I'm proud of it, and feel bad when I occasionally fail at being considerate and cognizant of someone else's feelings.
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I don't encourage feeling badly about it, but I do encourage trying to do better. Making fun of those of us who do try to do better is a great example of why systematic racism still exists in our nation.

They need to stop calling people names just for trying to be better people.
 
Jarod said:
I am not against challenging them, obviously I challenge them for a living. Are you saying that there is nothing wrong with being elite, but we should be encouraged to challenge them?


I WHOLEHARTEDLY AGREE!

I just keep hearing a different sentiment expressed, which is a base attack on "the elite" for being elite. Its funniest coming from those who consider themselves elite.
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People in San Francisco attack the tech elite all the time (even though most of this tech elite is politically liberal). So why are liberals attacking other elite liberals for being the best at what they do?
 
cawacko said:
Jarod, it is 2021. Did you just learn the term woke? What kind of bubble have you been living in?
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Ive heard it for a long time. Why do you ask? Just chose today to discuss why its an insult to those who use it as such.
 
cawacko said:
People in San Francisco attack the tech elite all the time (even though most of this tech elite is politically liberal). So why are liberals attacking other elite liberals for being the best at what they do?
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I dont know, you would have to ask someone who does it. I am not sure you are correct the tech elite are mostly liberals, I have always understood that silicon valley is a very conservative voting area. Am I wrong, you would know better.
 
Jarod said:
Ive heard it for a long time. Why do you ask? Just chose today to discuss why its an insult to those who use it as such.
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Because you woke up morning in 2021 and thought, "geez, I wonder what this woke movement is all about...?"
 
Jarod said:
We are just going to have to disagree on that, but having a different opinion than you does not mean I am pretending to be 'woke', I simply believe America still has vestiges of racism in our system and that we can do better, you disagree. That is okay, it does not justify attacking me for believing what I believe.
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I agree there is racism in America but to suggest it's systemic means you either don't know what the word means or you use it simply for hyperbolic effect. It unnecessarily complicates the discussion about REAL racism. I'm not attacking you I am pointing out the absurity of your argument. If that's a problem for you, it's not that i don't care but I can't do anything about that so I don't spend much time worrying about how you feel.
 
Jarod said:
I don't encourage feeling badly about it, but I do encourage trying to do better. Making fun of those of us who do try to do better is a great example of why systematic racism still exists in our nation.

They need to stop calling people names just for trying to be better people.
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That's the last thing woke fascists want to be.
 
Yakuda said:
I agree there is racism in America but to suggest it's systemic means you either don't know what the word means or you use it simply for hyperbolic effect. It unnecessarily complicates the discussion about REAL racism. I'm not attacking you I am pointing out the absurity of your argument. If that's a problem for you, it's not that i don't care but I can't do anything about that so I don't spend much time worrying about how you feel.
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I can handle the attack, but I am pointing out its affect on the discourse.


So, lets continue the discussion, what does 'systemic' mean to you?
 
Jarod said:
I dont know, you would have to ask someone who does it. I am not sure you are correct the tech elite are mostly liberals, I have always understood that silicon valley is a very conservative voting area. Am I wrong, you would know better.
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Nowhere in San Francisco or the Bay Area is there a very conservative voting area. It's not like there are zero conservatives who work in the tech industry but it is dominated by liberals. There has been for years massive pushback against tech and the tech elite locally. The question is why do "regular" liberals push back against elite liberals in the tech field?
 
Jarod said:
I hear Trumppers complaining about people they call “Woke”.

The way I understand it, if a person tries to be aware of others, their needs and feelings, and tries to behave in a considerate way toward others, they are “Woke”.

Somehow that’s an insult?
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The RW tards are the only ones I’ve seen to use the phrase.

Those who actually possess self-awareness and empathy don’t.
 
Jarod said:
I can handle the attack, but I am pointing out its affect on the discourse.


So, lets continue the discussion, what does 'systemic' mean to you?
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Then stop attacking.

As I look at merriam webster dictionary it says, "fundamental to a predominant social, economic or political practice". That seems to be the relevant definition. Do you agree or disagree?
 
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