'Wokeness' means you believe that white Americans are a racist oppressor? How so? Where did you get that idea? Did you come up with it on your own?
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'Wokeness' means you believe that white Americans are a racist oppressor? How so? Where did you get that idea? Did you come up with it on your own?
Good article.
This ideological group has a near-vice grip in specific areas, including higher education, media and Hollywood. It has helped create several powerful soapboxes from which to preach their message. Yet it’s also made liberals “feel more powerful than they are” since they “often don’t realize how provocative or inflammatory they can be. In exercising their power, they regularly not only persuade and attract but also annoy and repel.”
Hence, the typical language and tactics of liberals is working against them.
Too bad no JPP leftists will reflect on it.
Maybe he "individually emailed each and asked them to fill out a survey."
Well, in a way you are correct, but if we are trying to understand each other, it is important to ask what certain words mean to us individually. People often have a different idea in our heads of the meaning of a word than the dictionary. That is what this discussion is about. To me, being 'woke' means knowing yourself and your defects and trying to correct them. It appears, I am learning, that to you it means something different.
So, when I say there is systemic racism, I am not saying it is fundamental, it means to me, that in our culture and system, all other things being equal, a black American has a harder time getting ahead than a white American. Their family was likely harmed by slavery a couple generations ago, and harm in families often lasts several generations. They were denied education, wealth accumulation and often access to their families. Additionally, the systems we have do not account for these damages and thus treat black Americans more harshly than white Americans for the symptoms their culture still has of that earlier damage. Additionally, we really do have people who are racist making hiring decisions and pay decisions and other important decisions.
I was not necessarily disagreeing with you, I am showing you, what I think is a good article, that discusses in detail the topic we were discussing.
How is that smug? What is wrong with trying to be aware of other people and what situation they might be in?
Isn't that illegal?
Who elected white leftists to speak for other people?
Your oh-so-convenient personal definition (which I doubt reflects your actual belief) doesn't match the widely-accepted one, does it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism
Yakuda
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Well let me be clear I don't care about "woke". It means absolutly nothing to me. As to definitions if individual definitions rule the day then any discussions are useless. A word either means something we agree on or it doesn't. We can't each have our individual definitions and have a useful conversation.
You just used the word "system" in the explanation of your position which i take to mean that you think there is a wide reaching method of operation in place that prevents some people from moving forward. The existence of a black president and black people in positions of power across the nations seems to contradict the idea that a system exist to keep blacks from succeeding. Its a contradiction I have never seen adequately addressed. Sorry.
The narrative you use also seems flawed. Slavery did not exist a "couple of generations" ago in my opinion. You use the words "were" denied education. That hasn't been the case for a very long time in my opinion. Now I agree their may be racist people making decisions but systemic racism? I don't see it.
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Self-appointed sanctimonious pricks like **Brad have elevated themselves (in their own estimation) to be the arbiters of "social justice". They think they have the right to to define societal issues for everyone by virtue of their "feelings", apparently.
Yup, that's correct. It comes straight out of the standard reference work on Critical Race Theory, i.e, "Critical Race Theory: the Key Works that made the Movement" by Kimberle Crenshaw, 1995 Is it crazy ? Yes, it is - TOTALLY. Am I pissing around and making this all up? No, I am definitely not. (check it out for yourself if you don't believe me). The Wokeness ideology is grounded pretty much exclusively on CRT.
Here's something else you might find interesting. CRT/Wokeness, rejects Western Enlightenment: reason; logic; science; mathematics and empiricism because it believes these are all instruments of opptression that were designed by White Europeans purely to maintain their privilege by oppressing and exploiting Blacks and other people of colour (SERIOUSLY). Finally, CRT/WOKENESS does not believe in rational argument/debate as a means to solve problems, and therefore refuses to discuss any criticism of its ideology (SERIOUSLY)
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Yakuda
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What I am attempting to ascertain form him is how does a system that is tilted against black people , as I think he is suggesting, result in a black president and blacks in positions of power all across the nation?
Good luck.
Yakuda
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In some ways that is the approach to climate change. Any challenge to that is met with swift and severe responses.
Yakuda
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Well he appears, at the present time, to be engaging in areasonable discussion and so I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I can explain that for you but it would mean having to tell you a truth that you might find rather distressing. Up to you...
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Yakuda
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Nothing you say is distressing. If you want us to believe you're a profound thinker just ask I'm sure someone will entertain you. But I bet you never get around to "distressing" anyone. I know you're distressed by the truth of this matter.
People who screech about "woke" being bad are just intellectually lazy and sloppy people who don't want to have to do the very simple work of changing.