What’s wrong with Woke?

cawacko said:
If I may ask when you say minority friends who does that entail? I ask in the context of Lowell High School in San Francisco and all the headlines its been making. It is a school that is only 18% white (and 1/3 of the kids qualify as low income) yet is deemed to lack diversity. The reason being a majority of the students are of Asian decent. Usually when we think of race in America we think of black and white but Asians are often considered minorities as well.

The public/private school is interesting. I think of my experience. I went to a private high school that was at least 50% non white and a good number of working class kids. There were surrounding neighborhoods that had large white (wealthier) populations where acquaintances went to public school. So public school alone doesn't equate to diversity nor do private schools necessarily mean a lack of it.

But I agree that treating people with respect is very important. Now having a young daugther I admit it feels like conflicting information to say we're all God's children and to treat everyone with respect and then having the eventual talk about 'stranger danger' and the need to protect oneself.
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The minority friends are black, Asian, Hispanic, gay. I guess that’s it. My son’s best friend is black. The school is majority black and minority Hispanic then white. I went to a private school, 600 students... two black people and one Hispanic person. Two Japanese exchange students. 100% went to 4 year universities. I was very sheltered.

If you have minority friends who are not strangers, the kids won’t get the wrong message about stranger danger. You can respect a stranger without being vulnerable. My kids have learned that we are all good people deserving of love, but some people are sick and therefore we have to keep our distance sometimes and try to help from a safe distance.

I have a friend (he happens to be black) who is in and out of jail on alcohol related offenses. He just finished 2 years on his 3rd and 4th DUI. He is a huge strong guy. He comes over, but I would not let him alone with the kids, I explained why, they seem to understand.
 
Jarod said:
How so?
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The democratic party has foisted onto black americans the idea that white americans are the cause of whatever might be wrong in their lives. This is evidenced by things such as "systemic" racism and "unconscious" racism.
 
Winston Smith said:
Pressure companies into changing policies and products (even at a detriment to the bottom line) firing employees the woke fascists dislike, etc. The end goal is social upheaval.
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In what way is that woke?

Some social upheaval could be a good think. Not all profitable activities are healthy to society....
 
Damocles said:
The issue isn't those who are "Woke" the issue is folks that are 'white people Woke' which generally is folks who think they can feel better if they tell you white folks suck even though they are white.

That's just racism under a different name. Making fun of folks who are racist is a national pastime for folks on both sides of the political horseshoe.
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I think they should find a different word, because that is not what I (and many others) would have thought was it’s meaning.
 
Jarod said:
Then they are using the wrong word when they say "woke".
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"Woke" has become a buzzword in America. People now interpret its meaning is a range of different ways. For some, being "Woke" is simply a word liberals use to mean being "cool or hip". For others on the left, being "Woke" means advocating for an end to racial discrimation in kind of vague, generalised sense, and so on. The term "Woke" is actually dervived from an African word,"wokum" or something like that, and the expression "stay Woke" was first use in America decades ago in the 1920's by African -Americans as a warning to each other to keep their eyes peeled for White American in the era, and what they were doing, at a time when there was quite a lot of discrimination, prejudice and outright harassment of Blacks , by Whites taking place in American societies. So being "Woke" meant staying alert and always being watchful of what Whites in your part of town were up to; knowing where they were and basically keeping clear of them, especially if it looked like they intending cause any kind of trouble in Black neighbourhoods.


So, "Woke" was originally about race; more specifically, about the history of bitter racial conflict and strife between Blacks and Whites, though now it include all people of colour.


The "correct" meaning of Woke ideology today is that it is a system of belief that regards ALL persons in America who have White skin (especially White Western European descended Americans) as being irredeemably and innately racist WITHOUT EXCEPTION. ALL American Whites are 100% racist, White supremacists who are privileged, historic oppressors of Black -skinned people (and to a lesser extent, other people of colour). If you are White your are viewed, not as an individual, but as part of a the White /tribegroup who are ALL racists and exploiters of Black-skinned people. If you are White, you were born a White Supremacist and a racist oppressor of Blacks and that is how you will ALWAYS remain, i.e; as as morally BAD. Woke activists and educators insist that you must acknowledge and apologise for your guilt respecting the harm you have done, you privilege, the sins of your forefathers (e.g. slavery) and perform rituals of atonement and subjugation such as publicly declaring your racist immorality, "bending the knee" and so on, because you are such a naturally wicked and hateful person.


That's just the "tip of the iceberg" regarding what Woke ideology involves in its entirety.



Dachshund
 
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Jerome said:
The rightwingers hate it because it requires critical thinking, and empathy.

Both of those ideals are banned by Republicans.
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That’s my general perspective, but when you can get some of them to explain it, that’s not their position.
 
Hello Jarod,

Jarod said:
I hear Trumppers complaining about people they call “Woke”.

The way I understand it, if a person tries to be aware of others, their needs and feelings, and tries to behave in a considerate way toward others, they are “Woke”.

Somehow that’s an insult?
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There is nothing wrong with woke.

Considerate, responsible, patriotic citizens who are good neighbors are woke.
 
Yakuda said:
The democratic party has foisted onto black americans the idea that white americans are the cause of whatever might be wrong in their lives. This is evidenced by things such as "systemic" racism and "unconscious" racism.
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I disagree, do you have an example?
 
Yakuda said:
The democratic party has foisted onto black americans the idea that white americans are the cause of whatever might be wrong in their lives. This is evidenced by things such as "systemic" racism and "unconscious" racism.
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Correct.

Dachshund
 
Jarod said:
How so?
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By continuing to placate them through social welfare, and other social programs, and never actually advancing their cause, a cause that has had them voting for Democrat lies for 60 years! They simply moved the plantation? Now with your wokedness call me a racist, but it is truth so I don't much care, the plight of blacks got better under Trump! That is the reason for floating reparations!
 
Dachshund said:
"Woke" has become a buzzword in America. People now interpret its meaning is a range of different ways. For some, being "Woke" is simply a word liberals use to mean being "cool or hip". For others on the left, being "Woke" means advocating for an end to racial discrimation in kind of vague, generalised sense, and so on. The term "Woke" is actually dervived from an African word,"wokum" or something like that, and the expression "stay Woke" was first use in America decades ago in the 1920's by African -Americans as a warning to each other to keep their eyes peeled for White American in the era, and what they were doing, at a time when there was quite a lot of discrimination, prejudice and outright harassment of Blacks , by Whites taking place in American societies. So being "Woke" meant staying alert and always being watchful of what Whites in your part of town were up to; knowing where they were and basically keeping clear of them, especially if it looked like they intending cause any kind of trouble in Black neighbourhoods.


So, "Woke" was originally about race; more specifically, about the history of bitter racial conflict and strife between Blacks and Whites, though now it include all people of colour.


The "correct" meaning of Woke ideology today is that it is a system of belief that regards ALL persosn in America who have White skin (especially White Western European descended Americans) as being irredeemably innately racist WITHOUT EXCEPTION. ALL American Whites are 100% racist, White supremacists who are privileged, historic oppressors of Black -skinned people (and to a lesser extent, other people of colour). If you are White your are viewed, not as an individual, but as part of a the White /tribegroup who are ALL racists and exploiters of Black-skinned people. If you are White, you were born a White Supremacist and a racist oppressor of Blacks and that is how you will ALWAYS remain, i.e; as as morally BAD. Woke activists and educators insist that you must acknowledge and apologise for your guilt respecting the harm you have done, you privilege, the sins of your forefathers (e.g. slavery) and perform rituals of atonement and subjugation such as publicly declaring your racist immorality, "bending the knee" and so on, because you are such a naturally wicked and hateful person.


That's just the "tip of the iceberg" regarding what Woke ideology involves in its entirety.



Dachshund
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How much of that last paragraph do you personally believe is true?
 
Dachshund said:
"Woke" has become a buzzword in America. People now interpret its meaning is a range of different ways. For some, being "Woke" is simply a word liberals use to mean being "cool or hip". For others on the left, being "Woke" means advocating for an end to racial discrimation in kind of vague, generalised sense, and so on. The term "Woke" is actually dervived from an African word,"wokum" or something like that, and the expression "stay Woke" was first use in America decades ago in the 1920's by African -Americans as a warning to each other to keep their eyes peeled for White American in the era, and what they were doing, at a time when there was quite a lot of discrimination, prejudice and outright harassment of Blacks , by Whites taking place in American societies. So being "Woke" meant staying alert and always being watchful of what Whites in your part of town were up to; knowing where they were and basically keeping clear of them, especially if it looked like they intending cause any kind of trouble in Black neighbourhoods.


So, "Woke" was originally about race; more specifically, about the history of bitter racial conflict and strife between Blacks and Whites, though now it include all people of colour.


The "correct" meaning of Woke ideology today is that it is a system of belief that regards ALL persosn in America who have White skin (especially White Western European descended Americans) as being irredeemably innately racist WITHOUT EXCEPTION. ALL American Whites are 100% racist, White supremacists who are privileged, historic oppressors of Black -skinned people (and to a lesser extent, other people of colour). If you are White your are viewed, not as an individual, but as part of a the White /tribegroup who are ALL racists and exploiters of Black-skinned people. If you are White, you were born a White Supremacist and a racist oppressor of Blacks and that is how you will ALWAYS remain, i.e; as as morally BAD. Woke activists and educators insist that you must acknowledge and apologise for your guilt respecting the harm you have done, you privilege, the sins of your forefathers (e.g. slavery) and perform rituals of atonement and subjugation such as publicly declaring your racist immorality, "bending the knee" and so on, because you are such a naturally wicked and hateful person.


That's just the "tip of the iceberg" regarding what Woke ideology involves in its entirety.



Dachshund
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Do you have any support for these claims?
 
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